hello hello
you're here early we start we're
starting about one minute early or maybe
exactly on time
uh but yeah welcome to our ifixit iphone
13 teardown we're not going to start
just yet we're going to wait for a
couple people to come in so sam has a
great question to get us started oh yeah
i can i ask the chat just everyone
what's your halloween costume i'm like
really excited about this so it's fall
officially we had a big kind of like
heat bubble a couple days ago but now
we're like finally back into the cooler
weather so i'm definitely on the costume
train i started a month ago
can you reveal yours or is it a secret
well okay i'm doing i have a 17 month
old son and so he's short because
children are short so he's going to be a
hobbit and then i'm going to be an elf
and my husband is going to be gandalf so
it's going to be pretty sick we're going
to be height appropriate i'm loving it
we'll see how it turns out
um i am
so my my girlfriend and i just bought a
dog or we we got a little puppy she's
almost two-year-old now and she's a
small black dog
and so we are going to go
she she will be a little black green
cloud
and i will be winnie the pooh and then
my girlfriend will be a honeybee that's
really sweet that's our plan
yes exactly we will definitely sing the
songs be on repeat by us love it love it
um yeah all right olivia oh everyone we
have olivia here who is moderating our
chat um she will be reading us your
questions and kind of keeping us in the
loop with what's going on there and
making sure you're being nice yes and
making sure you're being nice
i will block you
so
yeah now i forgot what i was going to
ask you but
everyone say hi to olivia good question
oh yeah that's what i was going to say
are there any
questions that are coming in off the bat
do we have people here yet yeah we've
got lots of people in the chat um saying
hi tell us where you're from in the chat
looks like we've got some people from
chile and brazil in there
so far it looks like the biggest thing
everyone's excited about is um there's a
rumor that apple is locking batteries so
people are very excited to see
if that's true how repairable and
replaceable that battery is going to be
so
let us know and if you're not familiar
with that rumor uh the rumor is well i
guess some quick background
apple
has their batteries paired to the logic
board of the phone and you can replace
the battery with a new one and they will
give you a warning that says hey this
isn't your original battery so it
doesn't really affect the functionality
of the device but it's just a little red
flag
but the rumor is this year
that if you do a battery swap in an
iphone even with a genuine apple battery
the phone won't even boot
so
we have uh karsten who will come on
later
he's in the next room doing a bunch of
battery tests and things and so when we
get to the battery we will do a battery
swap and we'll have him come in and tell
us what he's learned so stay tuned for
that and thank you olivia
uh okay should we just get started
absolutely okay uh here's the official
welcome uh welcome everybody to ifixit's
iphone 13 live teardown we have an
iphone 13 pro and an iphone 13 regular
here
uh my name is taylor i am a tech writer
here and i am very happy to be joined by
my colleague sam
she's one of our most veteran tear down
engineers so it's a pleasure to have you
here today um and like i just said we
are also joined by olivia over here on
our guest couch
um she'll be moderating chat and giving
us questions
yeah so should we just get into it i
guess like before we start
we can do a quick comparison we have
13 pro here this is a 12 pro
the phones look pretty similar if we can
cut to my close-up here
the phones look pretty similar this you
can see this 12 is already open
but you'll notice the camera bump on the
13 pro significantly bigger i'm sure
you've seen the reviews
um it's wild it is it's huge like you're
like okay it's big but no it's big it's
real big yeah i don't even know if we
can do it justice here but it's like it
is significantly bigger
so
yeah we have a 12 pro and a regular 12
here that we will kind of reference
throughout the teardown
but let's just get started i guess
we should say in advance we
opened these phones already so we didn't
have to struggle in front of you guys
you know the cooking shows where they're
like oh yeah we're gonna sit here for
three hours and watch this cake bake no
that's not that's not what we're gonna
it's not fun so uh yeah we've already
opened them we put them back together
but we will pop them back open for you
the opening procedure
was the same as the iphone 12
um which is to say you heat it up do you
need a you gotta remove the pentalobes
first oh yeah that gets me every time
same thing
you have to remove the pentalobes very
important
um and then you heat it up and just kind
of give it some suction this is one of
our isclac tools that
pops it open for us
and i'm hoping that my adhesive didn't
reseat
which it looks like it kind of did i
know there we go
all right mine is open
do you want the size quick i'm gonna use
i think i'm gonna use
heavy duty suction see we'll see
i'll probably live to regret it
i took my suction off a little early
this was this was the hardest phone
opening i have done yeah these these
were not i don't think that they are
officially more difficult but
just the square
yeah this is a me
this is a personal problem everyone else
is just popping their phones open left
and right and it's fine the square
design means you have to lift the
display up a little higher than you did
with the old 11 and everything before it
yeah so i'm used to like 6s level guys
so
a little bit of a dinosaur those were
the days
um all right so can we come back to my
close-up and i'll show you guys the
inside of the 13.
yeah 13 pro yeah sorry i'm gonna do that
at least seven times
i'll keep you honest thank you
so
the my my first impression of the inside
was i can't believe how much prettier
they made it it's like they their design
team just kind of like went overboard
here and made the inside pretty if you
compare it to
the old 12 pro
this looks good
but
the 13 all the iphone 13s inside just
look a lot more polished which is kind
of interesting i think it's the black
tape and the labeling like yeah labeling
it reminds me of like new cars now i
mean okay i have like a 2007 honda
odyssey that's new i'm old but uh for
like new bmws and stuff it's all like
black cowlings everything looks so nice
and there's nothing discernible like
that's how the outside is now on the
inside now they're yeah they just
they've extended that to the inside
they've got the a15 processor yeah this
is really funny it's very very happy
they put that sticker there yeah so yeah
that's a first peek inside my phone sam
do you want to show us inside yours yeah
we'll see how many cables i ripped
getting it open
oh just the one
just the one that's great and it's the
big one too i didn't even rip the little
one i guess because i was pulling from
the bottom of the thing that's all right
you're forgiven it's been a while since
i've opened the phone you guys it's all
so hard like there are a lot of nerves
going on today
yeah so forgive me
you'll notice in
sam's phone in the 12 the regular sorry
i did it again the regular 13
uh they
have made the taptic engine more of a
square where it used to be
a rectangle yeah
so here's yeah there's a regular 12 for
you
so
much longer probably not that much of a
difference in actual like
area but just a little square as opposed
to this long guy which is interesting
because i feel like the rectangular form
factor was kind of
novel and interesting like that really
set it apart especially in x-rays
looking at the x-ray like oh it looks
totally different inside than the little
pancake uh vibrators
and so that that square taptic engine
was actually in the 12 mini last year
and so
the 12 the 13 kind of
inherits that
uh now let's do
a side by side of
your 13 pro and my or your 13 and my 13
pro
we'll make it easy on michael here
so
the differences between 13 and
13 pro
the 13 pro here on your left gets the
l-shaped battery
and basically all the differences are
because
the 13 pro has a much smaller logic
board here so the
13 regular has a super long logic board
and the sim tray is kind of like
tacked on at the end down here
and the 13 pro gets the really dense
logic board that we first saw on the
iphone 10 i think
and it has the integrated sim reader
right here
so
yeah you got the lca battery that's a
difference you obviously have the camera
bump uh for the cameras i guess from the
back side here which are
maybe 40 or 50 percent bigger in total
volume here than
the 13 regular cameras
anything else you're seeing
um a lot less on the display i mean
sorry oh yeah it's between the two
different the twelve and the world but
not necessarily between these two guys
yeah so what sam just said is something
that we forgot before
which is uh let's go back to
so here is a 13
and a 12 a 13 pro and a 12 pro
uh you'll notice that
the
12 pro has the earpiece speaker kind of
like attached to the display back here
and
on all of the 13 phones to my knowledge
they have moved that earpiece speaker
into this main cavity of the phone so
it's no longer like tacked onto the
display
and
that's actually something we are going
to run into we have uh the ifixit team
in germany who is nine hours ahead of us
and they have already sort of taken
apart parts of this phone so they found
out that there's a hidden screw
somewhere on that earpiece speaker
inside the phone which i'm not excited
for yeah a bit of an advanced warning
but we'll see if we will see if we can
find it yeah
um so i guess let's just keep going
yeah let's dive
uh olivia are we getting any questions
from chat um yeah we've got lots of
questions from chat one that i just
wanted to address really quickly was
um
are we
someone is asking if we are
um refining our repairability scoring
model and i just wanted to say we are
always looking for ways to refine that
and we are always considering how we
score these devices obviously
repairability is something that we
really stand for here and i fix it it's
one of the reason we do these teardowns
um
but one thing that we're really
considering this year is how easy it is
to swap and replace parts so that's
something that we're going to be
considering really closely in our
scoring of this iphone so keep an eye
out for that
thank you can they hear olivia is
everything okay can you guys hear me all
right yeah
we we didn't do like a audio video test
usually it's it's nice to ask chad if
they could see us because sometimes they
can't so
dan wants to know if we're going to
upload the internals for our wallpaper
and that is the plan yeah keep an eye
out for our wallpapers for the iphone
13.
so right now we are unscrewing and
frantically
filling
can you oh yeah let's do the inside of
mine with my terrible handwriting
pentalobes
a bracket
can anyone read that these are phillips
triple zeros so far on my end what have
you got on your end i also have phillips
triple series wonderful
and i'll just put this part
in your house it's fine it's okay to rip
a cable every once in a while it's a
tear down right i mean i'm trying to
make the mistake so that you guys don't
exactly
let's see
so do you have your display disconnected
yet um no i'm i'm one cable down
obviously
my least favorite i think tear down was
probably the s4 active which is like
really dating myself oh that is around
here forever
but it was so hard to get anything off
of that phone everything was so adhered
and i don't know if anyone remembers the
the era of like soft buttons where you
have dedicated buttons in the screen
oh yeah like so they had those and
they're like laminated between the
screen and then to the like logic board
or the daughter board or something
the motherboard uh of an android phone
and it was just impossible to get
anything oh i've got a triple syrup here
off of there without busting everything
and i did that live
um at a convention i was just like don't
look at me i can't it's fine it's broken
but you can't tell
so one thing i want to give apple credit
for
is like always is their opening
procedure we really love that you can
open an iphone from the display the
display comes off first
and that's that's one of the two things
that you're going to be replacing all
the time
the other one is the battery so
yeah the credit that we want to give
apple always is you can easily replace a
screen and a battery as long as those
parts are not paired which is something
again that we're going to get into
soon
but along with that i want to not give
apple credit for something which is uh
they use different screw heads
on the same component so i'm having to
switch between yeah phillips double zero
and y triple zero
the pentalobes yeah automating the
pentalobes which pentalobes are they
have been around for long enough that i
don't like to give apple too much grief
about them because by this point anybody
who's going to be fixing a phone
it's pretty easy to get a pentalobe much
like apple's chagrin it's not like
they're like they
all right fine yeah
yeah back in the day when they first
started doing uh the pentalobes in the
bottoms of what was like the boy this is
the 4s or the 5. um we would sell
phillips screws that you could put in
the bottom of your phone and that saved
my bacon when i dropped my phone in the
toilet which like i'm sorry everyone's
doing it everyone's done it uh and i was
able to open that phone up with a
butter knife wow because the phillips
screws yeah yeah because i phillip
screws and open it up and disconnect the
battery and kind of let it dry out i was
traveling at the time and did not have
my tools with me so it's like that would
have been the only way to do it and i
don't know there wasn't a ton of water
in there so maybe it would have been
fine but this is definitely before the
days of
uh intensive
waterproofing yeah
so i had a bit of an advantage with my
rib cable
all right so we have both displays off
and
now before we dive into the displays i
want to
bring a special guest onto the show
um
drum roll please
visit uh so coming over to our guest
couch here to sit by olivia is tobias he
is here from instrumental which is a
company that he will tell you about
shortly um but he was actually
a product designer at apple
a while ago so i'll let him introduce
himself over here excellent thank you
thank you taylor and ifixit team
for having me on i'm really excited to
be here
uh like taylor said i'm tobias my
background is in mechanical engineering
and product design so i actually did
product design back at apple for about
six years
working on iphones apple watch
a bunch of different modules
and like taylor mentioned right now i'm
at instrumental
and we make a manufacturing optimization
platform
with the goal of helping electronics
brands build better products
and make less waste yes which is which
is aligned
on why we're why we're collaborating
here with ifixit
and i'm excited to take a look at the
the iphone 13 here and taylor shared
uh
one of the the devices over here and i
think we want to take a look at this new
display yes we do so the the 13 pro
gets a pro motion display which is a
variable refresh rate means the screen
can refresh between 10 and 120 times per
second
so that makes it a lot smoother and
kind of enhances the experience
uh ipads have had pro motion displays
for a while and most android phones also
have 120hz displays by now um but
tobias noticed something specifically
that i'll let him explain uh which is
pretty interesting
yeah so taking a look at the iphone 13
pro display
which again like taylor mentioned has
has this new
uh this new pro motion display panel a
completely redesigned oled and when we
compare it with the 12 pro
can i cut to my close-up yeah side by
side i do have a by side here
sorry michael
so you'll notice taylor the 12 pro there
on the left
it's if you look at the the right side
it has two cables coming off two flex
cables coming off of that display
uh with the with the two boarder board
connectors that plug in but the new 13
pro just has one cable
and right here
yeah and
i'm fairly certain what's going on here
this is a little under the hood that's
not necessarily facing the user here uh
in the old model the iphone 12 the two
connectors well let me let me ask you
any idea why there's two connectors uh
well i imagine one of them handles touch
and the other handles display
information right bingo yeah yeah you
should you should come work it out
so there's there's actually two separate
flex cables because
uh under the hood here there is a touch
panel which is just a super thin
transparent plastic layer that's between
the display and the glass
and what it looks like they were able to
do on the 13
is combine that touch layer in with the
display
and i know this is a technology that
that they've been looking at for a while
and the win here
is they're able to
reduce the overall thickness of the
phone yeah because they now have this
integrated layer for the touch sensing
on the display
uh and thickness is always you know
prioritized by the whole team right uh
probably reduction in assembly cost too
true yeah just producing one one less
thing to make to put together yeah
exactly and again probably reducing the
overall waste of this assembly step yeah
uh so while it might not be a huge
user-facing feature it's fun to see
these these engineering wins because
there's teams that worked for for months
if not years
to integrate this new technology yeah
that really you only see under the hood
so pretty big i think it's a pretty big
win yeah
that's very quick on the display
technology here it's also one less cable
for you to tear while you're opening the
phone
speaking of torn cables do you guys
think the apple this is a question we
got from chat do you think the apple was
making them
easier to tear
no was that just that buck sandy that
was definitely my bad yeah i'm not gonna
blame apple for that one at all there's
there's a like decent amount of slack in
there um this isn't like uh 5s level if
you guys remember the 5s where like if
you popped it open like any more than i
don't know what a couple centimeters
then you would yeah the keyboard pull
that bracket out
for the touch id that was really awful
and i do think that that was just
they were trying to integrate this new
technology and then maybe they didn't
have enough time to like perfectly
perfect where all the cables were going
to go
they did a much better job of that later
on obviously and now with face id that
problem has kind of
yeah sort of disappeared yeah we've got
other problems now whereas we used to
complain about like the fused digitizer
and display yeah if you did have
separate digitizer and display which is
like that's really dating this is more
than 10 years ago now it was really
cheap to replace either one or the other
yeah you could just replace the glass
still have that yeah absolutely that's
something that a lot of people still ask
for when they break their display they
say well can't you just replace the
glass because that's all that's broken
display works but they're just that
you you gotta you kind of have to think
of them as one component at this point
they're very very fused
um okay so in chat feel free to drop
questions for tobias and us obviously uh
olivia will kind of feed them to us we
are going to continue with cameras i
think
uh so let's dive into cameras yeah
you've got this wonderful giant shield
over the top yeah with probably two
different kinds of screws
it looks like i've only got phillips
which is nice are you experiencing more
i have frustration over there i have y
triple zero
here and i think there's a phillips at
the top i can't see it very well but
we will find out okay so apparently the
the pro requires pro yeah you need you
need a pro y triple zero screwdriver to
get into this thing
and here i am with the pro tec and
you've just got the makeover yeah
so let me know if you struggle i've got
the
goods um
speaking of tools
uh quick promo here don't click away
um
just i i'm using our mako tool kit sam
is using our protech tool kit well mine
is a driver kit not really a tool kit so
i'm using our protect tool kit um and we
are actually having a sale right now if
you
don't upgrade your iphone that the goal
is so that you're not upgrading your
iphone oh yeah this phone i broke i
broke the cable yeah
keep your old phone up camera bumps too
big yeah uh so olivia do you want to
tell us about the sale that's going on
yeah so we've got a sale going on right
now on all of our apple related fix kits
so that's mac fix kits ipad fix kits
apple watch fix kits and iphone fix kits
we have fix kits from the iphone 11 all
the way back to the 4s
and if you use the code skip 20 on your
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20 off your apple related device fix kit
so
um i think that's only available in the
us
nde right now but if you are in those
places go grab a fix kit instead of
upgrading to the iphone 13 because you
don't need it i'm still on the 10s so
nice
i'm just continually the dinosaur who
well what if phones i
i uh did the bad thing and i had to get
the 12 mini
because i really wanted a small iphone
and that that's just something that i
had wanted for a long time so i upgraded
from the 10 to the 12 mini but i'm
planning on keeping the 12 mini for a
while so
yeah i'm not too bad
um what else was i going to say
should i like i just pulled the cameras
out is that yeah let's let's let's pull
the cameras out
i haven't you want to you want to pop
over to me this is just the boring two
camera model
there's a there's a cable or screw under
the cable i don't know if you're going
to experience that but
okay i thought that maybe it was adhered
but it's not didn't rip the cables guys
there's two of them on here as success
that's that's one one in one for sam yep
yep yep oh and underneath there it was a
little microphone it's pretty cool
right next to the cameras
um so this is just the rear-facing
cameras obviously not the front-facing
ones but
a ton of hardware in there like these
guys look at how fat that is i'm sure
we've got magnets in there for
stabilization
um i can pull over we've got
some little dudes oh yeah so i'm going
to pull these in once we get mine out
after a second
so cameras are kind of the big upgrade
this year and a lot of people say
are saying that this these iphone 13s
are carbon copies of the 12 and they do
look very similar
but
i do want to
give apple a little credit again because
this camera redesign is actually pretty
crazy
yeah and like these cameras are
i think unparalleled in smartphones
right now
and we're planning to do a whole video
where we're gonna dive into the cameras
and so look for that maybe next week
sometime
um but yeah so it is a very similar
phone again you don't need to upgrade
but just want to give apple a little
credit uh these cameras are pretty
amazing i'm seeing a lot of great uh
photos online with them they do that
pretty consistently that's what made me
upgrade to the 10s from my was i even on
i think i was on a success at that point
um so i don't know i'm on a slightly
longer upgrade cycle than most people
but yeah i was getting married and going
on a honeymoon in europe and i was like
i need a good camera for this
so i just got an iphone uh but yeah
these ones are significantly beefy over
here
if you can see i've got the old 12
and the new 13. yeah there's like some
some serious uh image sensor
improvements and so
yeah it really is the what what happened
is they they basically gave the new 13
the plane 13 and 13 mini they gave
the
the big sensor from the 12 pro max
to those phones so now all the phones
yeah
but it's a great hand-me-down this right
here
is uh the new that's the 12 pro max
sensor that we took apart last year and
this is the lens assembly
um but it's cool because this this
sensor is
stabilized so you get uh stabilization
from the sensor itself and then
stabilization from the lens so
you can take pictures in lower light and
videos are more stable it's uh it's just
amazing that they can put all this in a
phone really like i i'm blown away every
time yeah
real good the these little four silver
bits are magnets and those always pop up
really dark in x-rays as well so we'll
probably have x-rays so you can see that
inside the camera
um
let's see if i can flatten these guys
out
for the
more direct comparison yeah
yeah yeah
so that's really cool and then they they
basically did a whole new everything for
my camera if we can switch to my
close-up
um does this look a little dark to you
guys is this just a tv maybe
yeah anyway
uh so this is the new camera assembly
for the 12 pro and 12 pro or gosh dang
it 13 pro and 13 pro max uh
and it's
i can't remember off the top of my head
exactly what is what but i think
every sensor is new
maybe not until the telephoto sensor but
the telephoto gets a new lens they all
get new lenses
and you can see
these things like
really stick out oh i'm covering that um
the lenses stick out so far from the
actual camera unit there
um and that's just i mean it's crazy i'm
really excited to do that deep dive into
these cameras so i'm i'm going to try to
take apart the lenses so we can see
what's inside them and
compare the apertures to the old sensors
it's it's an ambitious project i don't
expect it to go very well it should be a
fun video give it a shot yeah so the
camera bump that we've been complaining
about and that like makes the phone all
tippy and stuff is really to do justice
to those lenses and the lenses are going
to be what's going to give you like that
good focal length and the actual uh kind
of depth of field and not the software
versions of it which apple's been doing
really well with its uh different
softwares to like create bokeh and
different modes um but they're they're
trying to make it
the real stuff and that way the software
can have a good good start
and yeah the the sensors are getting so
big that you really can start to get
natural depth of field without the
software
i don't know exactly how big micro four
thirds sensors are that's like the the
cheapest kind of like mirrorless cameras
you can buy are microphone third sensors
but i think
we're coming up on that side so that
that's gonna be crazy
um okay let's keep going
i don't know what we should do next do
you have any thoughts sam we well so
we're going to try to get to battery for
sure i don't think we need to worry
about logic board for this live stream
we can catch that later
i always want to go straight for the
battery but like maybe that's given away
the good stuff unless chad is like oh my
god oh chad is way hyped about the
battery okay
they are dying to know what is going on
with the batteries so maybe
engine speakers yeah
let's just do the things on the way to
the battery
we've got um some intel about that
secret speaker oh really yes um we've
got another tobias from our eu team over
in germany and they got the phone eight
hours ahead of us so they've already
been inside it all day for them
um and they say that
there is a hidden screw on the earpiece
speaker and if you remove the bracket
you can find it in the top hole
okay stand off screw in there
okay
sounds like something that i'm going to
forget
all right so we've got speaker out here
got a lot of good gaskets on it it's
wonderful is it the reusable gasket
again um i think so it's definitely yeah
yeah yeah that's great um i don't know
if we want to do a close-up yeah let's
do a close-up over there that's so
orange guy here i don't remember i think
it was the iphone 11 that they started
using that reusable rubber gasket for
the speaker so that when you do a
speaker replacement you don't have to
like tediously re-adhere everything you
can just often times they use like
separable foam adhesive yeah or
gaskets to try and keep that solid um
but this like little silicone molded
orange gasket is
very nice because you don't have to
reapply adhesive of course you have to
keep track of it
yes
it does sometimes good at that
it does tend to run away from you yeah
it is pretty incredible how much sound
they can get into these tiny speakers oh
yeah that's another thing that you have
to give apple credit for like
no matter what like you pick up an
iphone or an ipad and you listen to the
speakers and
you'll be impressed
most likely
i'm always impressed at least
so to be as
driven to bs is saying um remove the
logic board before the earpiece removal
oh that's good okay
i don't know if we will even get that
far on this live stream but that is good
to know right yeah tell them thank you
we'll have more teardown content for you
later too
okay chat i have a question for you
what's your favorite tool and it doesn't
have to be an ifixit tool i'm i'm
come to terms that we don't have tools
for everything uh
10 millimeter socket you know it's
always a solid for the car guys um i'm
really into the halberd's budget which
is like a really great caliber
spreadsheet is great i just think that's
really fun
um
i don't know i probably use like a hot
glue gun most in my
daily life as far as
and tape lots of tape lots of ripped
books and tape at home
i love our
this is going to sound like an ad but i
love our minnow tool kit the tiny baby
one
that thing is even carrying that around
yeah i carry it around my backpack it's
just it's so great
um but what's a non-ifixit tool
i don't know
uh what any any interesting tools in
chat olivia um so far people are loving
the ice quack oh icebox is another great
one tweezers
hammers
hammer
hammer is another great one
very solid soldering iron we got some
love for a soldering iron
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um all right i'm going to go for my
strips here
everyone wish me luck on this at all
what's sam do you want i'm sorry there's
an apple logo i don't know if we're ever
going to see this on the top of the
taptic engine cable it's so oh that is
tiny wow
they're very serious does mine have one
here
i do not get an apple logo on my taptic
engine sorry
oh no there is it's just hidden
so
so the the taptic engine is smaller
well it it's it's it's migrating we need
to do math to figure out the volume but
uh so my apple logo is hidden under here
so i don't know if you guys know the
sneaky things that apple has done with
uh copyright law and parts where they
have stopped people from buying parts
because they have the apple logo on them
and they're doing some
some clever anti-writer repair things
but you know trying to pull all the
levers they can and we're trying to do
the same yep um but yeah definitely look
into how apple uses copier
it's sort of like how disney uses
copyright oh yes
a whole other thing
um yeah i'm gonna start peeling these
strips everyone wish me luck we did
douse these with a little bit of
isopropyl alcohol to make our jobs
easier but uh
we'll see how this goes
did you already do yours no i haven't
should i try i think you should try too
i'm gonna go for it
it's much easier with the components out
so we'll see you know how that goes oh
tobias i had a question for you
yes um
so
they're the
in europe they just announced that
uh they're standardizing charging ports
right oh the usbc yeah so every
everything has to be usbc in europe um
and it it seems likely that apple will
just say no thanks and go straight to
full wireless but i was curious if you
had any behind the scenes info on
uh whether apple has considered usbc for
an iphone uh and maybe
like is that possible with the current
like z height that they're going for is
usbc too thick maybe
it's it's it's a great question i think
it's one of the big debates about iphone
going to usbc i can share i can share my
personal thoughts yes give it give it to
us i i think it's definitely been
considered because there's a huge push
with all the ipads going to usbc yeah
but it's it's hard to it's hard to meet
both sides
uh of the requirements because there's
so many accessories out there in the
field now with the legacy connection the
ecosystem is unmatched almost for
lightning yeah and even last time that
they switched connectors
uh how long ago was it from the from the
30 pin yeah that was a while ago but
there was a lot of uproar then too
there was again yeah there was a lot of
a lot of upset customers because their
accessories were outdated
and now
i would imagine the the order of
magnitude of phones and accessories oh
yeah it's way it's just so much higher
so i would bet
i would bet it is being considered uh i
do believe that they're they're looking
towards an end solution like you
mentioned taylor where they're just
going to skip ahead
to to no port yeah
but if they can't make that work
in the time frame that they want
then they might compromise uh and
eventually move over to a usbc
that's that's my best guess but what do
you think
i mean
i don't know my battery's tip's coming
out here all right
if you like that noise you're welcome if
you don't i kind of agree with that take
just because we've already seen the usbc
inclusion elsewhere in the apple line
that it's kind of like well like maybe
they could have done it here like the
ipads aren't that much thicker are they
i don't know we'll see and
the iphone
has only gotten thicker over time right
like yeah we kind of reached the meter
at like the 6 or the 6s or something and
then we started to bump back up and
they're just not talking about it and it
still feels really thin i mean they're
too thin but i'm on my last riff as well
i don't know i'm not i got distracted
talking so i'm behind if you want if you
want an insect should i do the asmr move
make it squeaky
oh no
look at all my other good strips though
the asmr was not meant to be it was not
me somebody in chat vetoed it
oh well
that's because it wasn't attached to the
battery oh yeah that was just stuck in
the phone that uh
that isopropyl did its job yeah so the
isopropyl does make a little bit of a
smudge of the regulatory information on
the back it looks like that's where they
kind of migrated everything oh yeah
because this new battery is kind of
sleek and
i'm going to make some crinkles for you
i've got an interesting question for
tobias from the chat yeah um ruby is
asking
if apple changes from lighting to
magspace only would it comply with the
eu rules
ooh that is a great question
um i don't know all the details on the
eu rules yeah i would guess
uh the probably the intention of the
rule
is that it would prevent that from
happening yeah because that's that's the
whole intention of unifying
yeah i would bet there might be some
work around that apple might try right
where they have some type of converter
or dongle
that maybe it goes from peg safe oh that
would be awful they would do that that
would be so bad so it's yeah i think
there's been a few other scenarios where
they've gotten around
some type of regulations like that with
some type of adapter which is not ideal
um so i can see that happening cool oh
crap and that way they would only have
to sell it in europe anyway yes yeah
exactly so they don't have to change the
whole design
that's kind of like worst case scenario
another dongle
these are not coming
i i don't i feel like isopropyl just
kills my chances of getting yeah oh mine
came out like butter
but listen it's your time to struggle
yeah i've been struggling this whole
time you have the lift cable now it's my
turn to have trouble
uh yeah
so we've had a question in the chat
about batteries um if you can
successfully replace your battery
how would you
safely recycle or dispose of your old
one
unfortunately that's usually a very
local situation yeah um that's kind of
gonna you're gonna have to google your
local waste management and your local
e-waste options um there's
like call to recycle in the u.s i think
that's a website that you can visit um
but it's gonna vary depending on where
you are but definitely don't throw it in
the curbside trash um they all have the
little label where it says like no
wheelie
do that um because you don't want this
to go into any kind of trash system you
don't want it to go into e-waste
recyclers you don't want it to go into
uh your normal waist stream just because
these are
uh
like spicy pillows
okay uh they get swollen if they get
damaged they will blow up to greater or
lesser degree yeah that's why like one
of the many reasons why we want
batteries to be easily removable is not
only so that you can replace them but
also so that uh when the phone is
ultimately e-wasted or recycled it's
really easy to get that battery out and
you don't end up with it being crushed
and setting a fire battery fires are a
very real thing and they're very scary
yep so
olivia could you sorry to interrupt you
could you message carsten and have him
come in we have one more special guest
for you
um so we have our batteries out we
should we do a quick comparison i have a
old 12 pro battery
so
uh like we saw earlier
the
the 13 pro and the 13 regular batteries
are different now
and that was not the case last year with
the 12 pro and the 12 regular last year
the batteries were identical
this year they are
very different what you're seeing now is
not is this is
12 pro
this is 13 pro
so sam can i see your
13 regular and 13 or 12 this is
impossible
okay
so
13
pro
12 pro
now i'm going to show you
13 pro
12 or 13 regular gosh i'm so sorry guys
this is hard
um yeah you can see the regulatory
information back there we'll have some
nice close-up photos of this in our
teardown which is coming
probably later yeah later we'll just say
later um and then we have oh i guess
it's the same
we have
here comes our guest
12
regular battery 13 regular battery
okay
so let me introduce our special guest
here
uh
i mentioned earlier let's go to our
couch shot if we can tobias can you get
up
um i mentioned earlier we have karsten
who is another one of our co-workers um
he is in the next room or he was in the
next room alright that's how he's here
uh
and his job today is to take
10 iphones and just swap parts all over
the place to figure out what works and
what doesn't work and what happens when
you do xyz
so
i'm going to attempt a battery
replacement in this
13 pro i have a spare battery here
but meanwhile karsten can you tell us
what you found yeah sounds good do you
want me to spoil the battery swap
findings boiling we're dying to know uh
battery swap between the two um
13 vanillas works as expected
really no warnings it does throw a
warning same as last year um but it
boots up the standard warning yeah yeah
the standard warning
um but they're not software locked no it
booted up completely normally all right
yeah so that's your answer i guess so
i'm curious to see how the 12 good news
yeah it'll be interesting to see how the
12 pro works um
it's i guess i should say anything that
we find on this live stream today is not
conclusive so don't don't take this to
be the final answer like i said karsten
is going to spend all day testing this
stuff and then putting the phones
through different scenarios to make sure
that things work with different parts
so don't take anything that we're saying
here and spread it as the law just yet
we're going to do a blog post and maybe
even a video about uh what works and
what doesn't work so and even if we are
right here today apple can always change
things that's true yeah continually
getting these new warnings and new
issues if you remember error 53 that was
kind of like a bug issue that they
managed to mostly fix yeah
but we're like the camera the camera
bugs last year which they also fixed
um all right i'm just gonna try to do
this
whether it's intentional or not it's
still lame and something they should be
thinking yeah still lame still something
that they i'm sure
are aware of just don't bother to fix
or if it's intentional then
yeah it's bad
so christian you managed to swap the 13
battery with a 13 battery yes i'm
working on 13 with 13 for now i did
battery camera and display so awesome
cool and we'll have more findings about
that did the display give you the usual
warnings usual warnings um same as the
12
from last year so no face id yet until
you saw the front camera module yeah
um true tone disappears
um as it does night shift works
okay um
auto display brightness was being
finicky but
other than that this is the wrong way
i think so
this is the wrong display where did my
13
pro display go
is it this
no that one has two cables oh this is it
right
here
yes okay or this one sorry about that
yeah when we're like oh everyone's
complaining about the
the upgrade between the 12 and the 12 or
the 13. like to some degree that's true
but also it's very different but also
they look very similar
this is an authorized display
i am lost in a sea of parts
this
looks like it yeah okay there we go
sorry we gotta get more sticky notes we
have some yellows on here we need to be
a lot better labeling things but it's
just hard you know there are a lot of
things magnets for it is yeah that's
exactly what the magmat is for
cryptically labeling with sharpies
my small parts
see my beautiful
yeah don't look at mine
yeah this one is is self-labeled because
the taptic engine is just the top to
gauntlet
carson can you talk a little bit about
the warning you're talking about that
you're getting with the
um
battery swaps and all the swaps you're
doing someone's asking if that just
means it's not calibrated so can you
talk about what yeah so all of the swaps
i've done so far i've thrown a similar
warning which links to
apple's website actually
um let me pull that up see if i can read
it
that's the one i think we have a blog
post about it where it says um like be
careful with this part so i don't
actually remember last year but i
remember when we did this
originally at the 12. the vanilla
cameras were finicky yeah it didn't
throw a message but it started like
focusing weird and stuff this time the
camera works perfectly fine but it does
pop up a message saying hey you don't
have a genuine camera message
uh you don't have a genuine camera so
you can click learn more
and it mentions that
it can't confirm that this is an apple
camera right apple really cares about
their manufacturing and performance
standards um it's a big blurb and this
is an apple battery
yeah
between two brand new phones but they
can't confirm it because ordinarily in
the apple store when they are doing
these repairs they are able to run a
sync program
which is something like uh diagnostic
tools at car shops at auto repair shops
they have access to different you know
you like your obd port or whatever
they have that information they are able
to read and reset those things um
independent repair shops and us we don't
have access to that so that's something
that we are really hoping to kind of
push into the mainstream with right to
repair yes that's one of the main things
we're looking for they're not
necessarily software locked but they are
like software watches yeah
it's watched on the phone on the camera
one it says explicitly hey we care a lot
about our portrait mode
but portrait mode works fine on this one
yeah originally i think in the 12 the
portrait mode
was what didn't work or something but
third-party camera apps worked one of
the lenses didn't work that's what it
was they might have fixed that i'm not
sure
um but that phone does have a
disingenuous camera so this is the line
here importance of service by trained
technicians
that's what they want they love that
line
um so my phone this 12 er
this 13 pro
uh
is this has a foreign battery in it it
booted up it's not set up so uh
maybe if i can get through all this
really quickly nobody look at my
password
um
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it will it'll show me the battery
warning we can show you guys that it's
it's basically the battery warning just
says
uh this we can't verify that this is a
genuine battery
and uh so we can't give you
uh your battery metrics like it'll tell
you you percent your battery percentage
but it can't give you battery health or
things like that
battery yeah yeah
no performance which doesn't necessarily
mean that it's bad or anything and we've
had lots of people successfully replace
batteries and have them last a good long
time
but they are trying to
strongly encourage you to go through
their authorized channels
which i don't know i've never taken a
card to a dealership and that's probably
because i've only had cars that are
extremely out of warranty uh but i think
if you guys are aware of dealership uh
repairs um
whoa we've got a loose display and so
the tapping engine is kind of like
freaked out a little but so here here
you can see the important battery
message not just a battery message but
an important one
uh yeah they can't verify that it's
genuine
and so it'll take you to this screen but
the the sort of annoying part is you get
these notifications and settings they
always live there yeah and they just
live there kind of forever so you have a
constant reminder it actually might go
away after like a month i think
but uh yeah you kind of have to deal
with this for a little while and again
we just replaced the iphone 13 pro
battery with a genuine iphone battery
it's just from a different iphone
but it does work just gave us the same
battery warning that we've seen for a
couple years
which sucks because these batteries
don't last forever these are consumable
items the chemistry will break down
it'll stop holding as much of a charge
um apple wants these phones to last for
you know how many years five years seven
years in california they have to uh
support them i think
um and battery's not really going to
last that long realistically so having
these
locked behind this kind of like scare
tactic is like going in and being like
if you put weird oil in your car it's
going to like scream at you or the tires
are going to
you know
stop working after you retread
yeah like
and it just it undermines the
credibility of any third-party repair
even if you fix it yourself and you know
the battery's good
um you just have that constant reminder
but imagine if you are just somebody who
wants to fix their phone you go to a
repair shop that's not
like an apple certified shop
they replace the battery and you walk
out with your new phone and you're
excited and the first thing you see is
an important battery message because
they don't have the tools to clear that
it just it undermines all of the
credibility and it's a bad experience
for the customer yeah and apple stores
are not as ubiquitous as apple wants
them to be they're yeah
with their independent repair network
which helps um but still if you're like
up in i don't know fairbanks alaska
you're probably not going to get a lot
of access there we've got a great blog
post about a guy who was like hold up
one winter in a town that you can only
access by seaplane it's really wild and
he's just just like fixing the entire
towns like ipads and stuff he's just got
like an entire hall lined with broken
ipad displays and like
they're gonna have to you know make a
three-hour drive or whatever or send
their phone away and that's just not
real nobody wants to send their phone
away that shouldn't be the default yeah
okay we are coming up on an hour
we have looked at cameras and we have
looked at batteries
is there anything else that we want to
do for the last 10 minutes maybe olivia
has anyone uh dying to see something in
chat that we haven't already covered
um can you just run off some quick
battery specs really fast we've had a
couple questions about that yes
good idea
let me get rid of this camera
so
uh yeah go for it it has a
3227 milliamp hour
cell here
i'm not seeing
oh 3.84 volts
what's that one hours then uh 12.41 watt
hours i did that in my head it's
definitely not written in the back
on the battery
okay so that's 12.
12.4 watt hours that's up from last year
10.78 watt hour so you do get a battery
bump like apple did mention that
um and then from
last year's 12 pro to this year's 13 pro
you get
uh where is it
all right
12.11 watt hours so that's an even
bigger jump all right and that's why you
get this nice l-shaped battery michael
if you can show us this one more time
we've already seen these but uh yeah
again yeah l-shaped battery just means
that it can fill all available space
while keeping other things in there um
if you guys have seen the macbook
batteries they've gotten like many
different layers okay lithium-ion
batteries are all made out of layers
they're already layered in there but
they have kind of like terraced it uh so
they kind of fit into the shell while
keeping the shell really thick and
that's just like apple always
does the best they can fitting things
yeah and maximizing the battery area
where possible
and thanks to these kind of soft layered
batteries they're able to do that a lot
more than like the old uh plastic
encased ones which
trade-offs yeah those ones were easier
to replace and safer but
i mean
like
they are fighting for micrometers in
these phones so it's
i i understand it's a trade-off
it's cool to see them pushing technology
at least yeah absolutely
okay uh we looked at batteries any other
questions from chat anything tobias do
you want to say
or any questions for tobias or carsten
um we've got a couple questions about
cooling i don't know if we want to wait
for
the full step by step yeah that we'll
probably mention that in our full step
by step and maybe we can cover it in our
uh camera video to just mention the
cooling it doesn't seem like
from this perspective it doesn't seem
like anything is drastically different
from previous iphones yeah still
probably mostly using the case and that
kind of thing yeah visible heat pipes a
la samsung
sorry
um one last interesting question um that
was asked a couple times is
what happens if things go badly in the
long run and more and more phones become
less and less repairable
um do we just stop buying phones do we
are trying to make us cry how do we make
this
the dark timeline
we are on the dark side where is the
case scenario what do you what do we do
i guess as a society or as individuals i
mean i think
i think at that point we're just trying
to keep devices as long as we can like
if they're not fixable
you just try not to break it that that's
like really dark though i don't even
know what to say yeah can i can i refuse
the premise and just be like no no
europe won't let us do that like yeah
yeah there you go move to europe where
there are stronger uh retro repair
regulations but yeah what taylor said is
really valid that like if we can keep
these things going even if we can't like
replace the parts individually we can
pressure apple to have more authorized
repair places we can have secondary
markets iphones like have such a high
resale value they can go to places like
back market and like sell your phone for
really high and other people can get an
iphone that's a couple years old and
still use it and like that's that's
relevant like keeping the phones around
is great like if you have poor battery
life that sucks but
like keeps
yeah it's gonna minimize the impact and
kind of spread the manufacturing cost
over more people and more time
and that's what we want another thing on
that dark timeline if we must go to that
dark timeline uh
is hopefully
repair
can
uh meet
the advancements of technology as we
move forward
so i mean like right now
it's not very common to know how to
solder or how to micro solder on a tiny
circuit board but maybe if we go to this
dark timeline that just becomes a normal
thing that everyone has to learn how to
do if they want to fix a phone and
even if
everyone doesn't learn how to do it
at least there will always be people
like louis rossman who can do it and so
that's where we just need right to
repair legislation that makes it
possible
for people like that to get parts and
do their jobs yeah yeah like any kind of
like security measures like there's
always gonna be white hats some black
hats out there trying to get things done
and keep pushing the envelope and it is
a little bit of an arms race i guess i
mean we've definitely filed down
why uh y-wing screwdrivers we're trying
to get into apple watches you know like
repair finds a way yeah that be our
hashtag timeline i think that can be the
answer to our dark timeline
thank you to that person for taking us
there
and now we're not going to go back yeah
we're never going back there
um okay well i think we are at time i
don't want to go over so let's maybe
just wrap it up
uh thank you to everyone for joining us
today i hope that we were at least able
to answer some of your questions and be
a little entertaining and you got to see
inside the new iphones which is always
exciting
keep uh keep your eyes open for our
teardown coming soon and then our
in-depth camera video also coming soon
uh oh we also are going to after this
start working on our ipad mini teardown
which is exciting i'm really excited for
that one
um
anything else to plug olivia uh just
keep your eye out on our social media
we're gonna be publishing
our step-by-step written teardown that
will probably have the answers to a lot
of the questions we didn't get to right
now um but we'll have our step by step
taylor mentioned the iphone mini
teardown we'll have a lots more
parts testing answers from carson as he
gets going throughout the day so
lots more information coming and just
keep right out on
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out to us if you have more questions
definitely if you want to tell us that
we did a good job or a bad job or you
can tell me that it's fine that you
broke a cable yeah everyone tells them
it's okay it's very okay
um yeah that's it thank you for joining
us thanks to our video team for running
this behind the scenes huge shout out to
them and also shout out to tobias thank
you again
carson and olivia and i remember you
all right well that's it thanks for
coming see you around