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welcome to this week's repair radio we
are super excited to be covering there's
so much tech news that's been going on
and we have our special guest from Jerry
rig everything Zak is here yes I am hey
Zach excited to have you and also all
the way in from Buffalo we've got Kevin
pretty hello hey Kevin so uh all kinds
of stuff has been happening but but
before we dive into that it seems to me
that that zach has a hesitant for
tesslar at least I have seen you like
firing weapons at Tesla vehicles what's
that all about I have so there's a
company local to me here in Utah that
actually makes bulletproof vehicles you
know they totally disassembled like the
metal panels take out the regular glass
and put in bulletproof like stuff all
inside of the car which looks really
really cool and then I got lucky enough
that they wanted me to come out and
shoot it a couple times
that's right asked yeah it's it's not
you don't have any animosity against
Tesla this one
I love Tesla Tesla's awesome who who is
the market for bulletproof Tesla's um
they said they ship a lot overseas do
you know Saudi Arabia and stuff like
that you know where you know things are
a little more tense I should say and
then rich people in general cuz like you
can buy a Tesla for like you know 60
grand and then spend another 40 grand on
top of that to bulletproof it but when
you're pulling in you know millions and
millions of dollars a year it's not that
much money right just bulletproofing to
your car and you think Mission
Impossible movies are so far-fetched and
then you hear about bulletproof Tesla's
going overseas it's impressive
I would think Mexico the prime with neck
there's money in Saudi Arabia there's
not there's not as much money in Mexico
yeah interesting
I mean well all the drug lords are a
problem but there aren't that many of
them
belt I don't know if they're drug lords
are like environmentally conscious
enough to but the Saudis are maybe ya
know did but they mean they're doing
they're doing both proofing for all
kinds of other cars too right yeah yeah
they do everything they had like huge
SUVs they're bulletproof hanging like
like they don't do sports cars as much
it's mostly you want a car that has
enough room in the side panels and that
can handle the weight because it adds
like you know five six hundred pounds to
the vehicle when you put all the extra
stuff inside yeah um you uh your video
is really great at explaining the way
that bulletproofing works and so
everyone go check out that video it you
talk about how it's it's not really the
thing is preventing any kind of ingress
of a bullet from any angle into the
passenger or driver cabin you know so
are the thing I was wondering is like
are they making new panels to replace
the standard panels are they laying
another like kind of clip on you know
melton thing onto the existing Tesla
panels so what they do
the Tesla like the aluminum panels that
sit on the outside of the car there's
space inside of that between that metal
panel on the inside and basically
they're putting these thin probably you
know about that thick paneling between
those two surfaces that way the bullet
goes through the aluminum obviously but
then stops when it hits the bulletproof
stuff on the inside so they're not like
rebuilding the outside of the car from
scratch they're just sticking insulation
of sorts in between the panels and
they're the the windows are not are
operable anymore you because if you get
if you get a bulletproof glass to like
you know withstand handgun bullets then
it's thin enough that it can go up and
down still okay but you're withstanding
you know rifle rounds which are a lot
you know more powerful then the glass is
so thick that it doesn't go up and down
anymore inside of the door it's amazing
to me there's still room for the the
handgun glass and then the armor inside
the door and that can still go up and
down right right it's pretty cool cuz I
think there's probably also the
aerodynamics of the vehicle probably the
the the doors need to be a little bit
wider than the
vacation oh sorry umm did they give you
an indication whether it's easier or
harder to bulletproof a Tesla versus a
Chevy Malibu you know like I need
standard kind of gas guzzling car um not
really there I remember them saying
anything about it I mean I am I
personally it's my own assumption that
it's easier to do a bigger car like that
just there's more to work with but
that's just me talking I don't I didn't
really ask the guys gotcha
it's been interesting watching the rich
rich rebuilds channel over the years as
he's gotten more comfortable with
Tesla's and he's now right yeah they
both the Lego car they're really easy to
work on yeah he's got some cool stuff
going on he's he's got he's got he's
started his own repair shop now so I
know if I if I needed someone if I had a
Tesla and I need someone to work on it I
would totally drive it across the
country to take it to rich yeah we're
hoping to have rich on on the show one
of these days so another one of the
awesome guides videos they put out was
you have a few of a you're lucky to have
friends who are okay with you taking
apart their Tesla's you also attached a
hitch to a Model 3 and there is no way
you can buy a Tesla with a trailer hitch
option on it's not something they really
market segment it out but um so can you
give us a little background like you
know why you wanted to put a trailer
hitch on a Model 3 and also like what
the process was like yeah so the model 3
is especially you know like the
performance Edition they're super super
powerful like there's just so much
torque they can even though they're not
rated for towing stuff they can tell
pretty well so there's Astor's third
party like aftermarket companies that
make these you know hitches for the
model 3 but in order to install them you
have to do it yourself because it's not
factory so bin from the YouTube channel
called Tesla na mcc's it was like dude
come out let's do this to my Tesla
because it can it can tow like a fair
amount with all the moon over that so we
we pulled off the bumper it took us
probably try to remember like three or
four hours to the whole thing all said
and done because we didn't have to cut a
little bit of the of the bumper out to
make room for the hitch but it was
pretty sleek the actual hitch part
detach and like you wouldn't even know
that it's installed on the car I had
never seen the hitch like that where you
you cut a hole in the bottom of the
bumper and then and then all the
mechanism is hidden and then you just
you know put a socket then underneath
the bumper or when you want your hitch
on yeah but it's super smart because
lower your it doesn't hit on things like
when you're just driving around normally
you know say can we can we possibly do
this let's see let's challenge ourselves
thing or was there an actual halting
Mead for the for the was it real like a
real use case where they wanted to have
a hitch on there so he didn't
necessarily want to like tow trailers
and stuff he just wanted the option to
put bikes on the back because I think
Tesla sells an option where you can like
mount it to the roof but he like a roof
rack he just wanted this super hidden
hitch that you can use when he wants and
then not use when he doesn't want it
that makes sense and then sees I mean
fantastic like hitch attachments I would
think I mean you could tell level
aluminum boat with it ah you know well
fishies though I think we decided that
as long as it was under like two
thousand pounds then we'd be alright
towing wait I did yeah do you have a
Tesla yourself um kind of yes and kind
of no um most car titles are pretty
black and white well so my parents have
one have let's just say that ah and I
get to drive that one around okay um
have you had to do any maintenance work
on it or anything like that uh no I
haven't which is kind of the nice thing
about Tesla's well here's the thing so
there was actually they it was parked in
my mom's garage and there was this metal
rack on the rock on the wall and the
metal rack fell off and hit the side of
the Tesla ooh
gouged the metal paneling all the way
down the side so that was like five
grand to fix but that's not necessarily
you know it's not it would've been five
grand with any car mm-hmm or not to fix
that were they able to get parts
reasonably quickly um it was all just
third-party they just like added
material it wasn't okay is that
everybody says that's the challenge of
getting Tesla's fixed is the shops maybe
able to do the work but the part supply
chain is so backed up I've heard of shop
car
sitting in the shop for months waiting
on your body panels mkbhd had his car
sideswiped it was in the shop forever
yeah so Tesla just put out these DIY
maintenance guys did you see these
things yeah so I'm not going to comment
on the quality of their technical
communication that's very good of you
Kyle which is sad because we've actually
we helped I mean this is it's been a few
years back boat Tesla came to us and
wanted people to help them write some of
their internal documentation we helped
them hire six engineering students that
we had trained you have the right
service man goes well but I think they
went off into their manufacturing line
they were working on the instructions
rather than build the cars and clearly
they were not involved in creating these
DIY instructions interesting I was i
watch the air cabin one and it's it's
trippy like the way they show the air
filter the air cabin filter the way they
should like show a white glowing filter
like sinking into a gray cabin and then
just like it's it's a it's very trippy
but at least like you know they they
show you how to do it eventually yeah I
think it's a good idea I mean I like how
they're they start with like the super
easy repairs that you know everyone
should know how to do but it's also some
of that stuff is common sense if you've
done it before I guess but it's still
nice of Tesla to put it out yet either
they've got this SVG where you can you
can look up the parts catalog it's it's
EPC Tesla Motors calm and it looks like
you have to login but there's a there's
a public access link and then you can
browse through and and yes navigate
through every single part in and all the
major cars and and identify the model
number which then you could
hypothetically order from somebody so
are we allowed to like let's say let's
say I need a new side panel can i order
that just nice to go for does it have to
go through the dealer still you'd have
to go through the dealer and then that's
the interesting thing is they've got
this parts catalog up but you can't
actually do anything with it unless you
know you get rich or somebody to grab
you a part off of a salvage car
the information is there and it's a
pretty slick SVG native like really
high-resolution vector image viewer for
navigating through and finding all the
parts so why do you think they would
release that without letting us actually
buy it because the right to repair
legislation that Massachusetts passed
requires they make this information
available it doesn't require that they
saw parts to consumers so they're
complying with the letter of the law
they wouldn't it wouldn't be doing this
if they weren't I mean and it's clear if
it's funny cuz you look in there and
there's got quantity and there's like I
order or where the order link would be
and it says contact Tesla and it's clear
that it's the same system that they have
available for their authorized dealers
to order parts you just have to have a
login and or the order cards yeah so
ever but not always knew the cost the
Tesla itself but you also have to put in
the time to become friends with a Tesla
dealer that's such a such a long burden
yes and it's interesting because I mean
that with as the model 3 volumes ramped
up I think the repair pain for Tesla is
going to be significant I you might not
know this for the traditional auto auto
manufacturers they only do about 25
percent of the maintenance on these
vehicles themselves the other 75 percent
is all your local garages and and
Tesla's saying well now what we can
handle 100 percent of that and as
they're cranking out five hundred
thousand cars a year I don't know if
they'll build scale up their service to
match something I don't think so nor
would like they want to you know I feel
like they should just focus on making
new cars and leave the repairs to
everybody else I mean the good thing
about Tesla's is that you know the
maintenance down the road with less
moving parts isn't gonna be as bad but
it's still liking a body damage and
stuff like that they should we should be
able to get replacement panels yeah and
there are I mean things like that the
handles on the Model S that I think fail
a lot they fail pretty routinely after
after three years or something your auto
your warranty but it is a mechanical
moving part because they decided to be
aerodynamic and slick and then your
handle doesn't pop out yeah which would
be a pretty frustrating problem I think
it's pretty hard to use the car if you
can't open the info open door can you
open the door with like a nap or
something
I don't own a Tesla I've never used one
so I don't know what
your door handle fails are you
completely locked out of your car I'm
not sure my three they haven't got the
three so yeah please please let us know
in the comment section the car
interesting I mean you know unless you
got bulletproof glass you've always got
a way into the car just you know it's an
expensive way in right what did you
think I mean and I realize you're just
working on the bumper which is
relatively similar but is your
perception that that working on the
Tesla's is similar to other cars you've
worked on yeah so I mean I have I Drive
a Toyota Tacoma which short little rant
here so I used to have a 98 Toyota
Tacoma so like 20 years old give or take
and if I needed to replace the
windshield on that thing it was like 200
bucks right just like a huge slab of
glass not a big deal today I went to go
replace the windshield in my 2018 Toyota
Tacoma eight hundred dollars like Wolfe
hundred dollars and it was like three
hundred for the glass which is like
three or four owner for the glass which
is reasonable I mean it's like it's new
I understand that but then it was like
another three or four hundred bucks to
calibrate the camera sitting behind the
glass that does like the lane change
warning stuff yeah like I don't know
just getting a new vehicle just a pain
Oh new features on my car my car when
you know I live in Buffalo so side
mirrors are always in danger from
snowplows and you know trash cans and
stuff like that so the the meter the
glass and the mirrors like you know 30
bucks the the chat the shell that is
like 50 bucks but then the electronics
that let you control the mirror from
inside the cabin and that lis defrost
the glass on it and stuff like that that
it adds to a $560 side mirror right but
also so my fiance I'm engaged which is
pretty a pretty one graduations
later but she broke her side mirror on
her Subaru and it's not heated but it is
motorized and so the whole thing was
like 200 bucks but I managed to find the
mirror itself for 20 bucks so left the
motor in and just replaced the front
glass for $20 which oh nice yeah
i-i-i couldn't get om glass for my
brother Hanna accurate and so we just
went out of the glass place we just
traced it out and then we had them just
a regular mirror and it turns out there
that there's actually magical properties
to to the that where they reflect mirror
you know lights headlights less and so I
don't recommend doing that you want a
little bit I guess not it was it was
blindingly bright and I think we thought
oh it's just a mirror no it's not just a
mirror it's it's a little bit special
did you find that out yourself on like a
long drive to a ball game or something
oh no we have managed that yeah yeah you
don't actually want to reflect 100% of
the light that comes in into your eyes
that's that's not a good strategy which
is why we need we need right repair do
we need these folks selling these things
to us so Zach tell us about your
engagement did you propose any
interesting or unique way uh no I
decided to keep it a little bit more
low-key just because like you know I've
been pretty public with her in the past
with the off-road wheelchair and stuff
but then so we're just our engagement
weeding back to the second place we went
back to location of our second date okay
I'm spent like six hours just talking to
each other and just proposed right
they're super chill just nuts and then a
buddy off to the side taking pictures
that she didn't know about there was no
threat of her saying no yeah yeah we
were fine I I proposed in a kind of
backwoods area and I was super nervous
going in and I was I was kind of rushing
and there were a half of those in
streams they had to navigate through and
my Explorer and I got I got excited and
I ran through one those streams too fast
and I flooded the engine and so there
were that I'm sweating bullets I'm
nervous I'm getting ready to propose and
we're stuck in the river and I was I
kept my cool
as I we're just gonna wait two minutes
and the heat from the engine was able I
didn't we weren't so low that we were
you know getting getting more water
coming in the engine that was just
flashed up and so the engine eventually
dried off and then I was able to start
and go and then of his I was more
I was not driving through the I feel
like there's a really broad metaphor for
marriage that you can disentangle from
that somehow but requires being stuck in
a river having to wait for things to
cool cool off I'll let someone else do
that work though yeah maybe it starts
off bad and gets worse I don't really
know patients the more you try to fix it
the worse you can make it in a
completely natural segue the 1 plus 7
pro which I have here so this is I've
got the internal so that one plus I'm
looking at it but you know speaking of
patients Zack you be this to the
staredown so we're very angry with you
I thought you guys beat me no I did the
clear version then you guys did the
teardown after that it was mixed alright
but you had the phone before we did
which is which is fair
ok so give us your impressions of this
device this is you know 1 plus is is
making I mean right this is the budget
flagship phone yes and so like for the
price I think it's super awesome
but at the same time I feel like there's
a lot more sub $500 phones coming out
with excellent specs have you heard of
the red magic 3 the GAVI of magic 3 so I
got my hands on that and it's like the
specs on that are crazy
for less than 500 bucks which isn't
something like you would expect in this
day and age we're looking at like
normally 800 to a thousand dollars for
you know a flagship smartphone but like
you know and I don't know anything about
the longevity or the software of the red
3 but it seems pretty solid yeah that's
how Fenella is the Android that there
that one buses may they've got their own
custom camera app I don't do anything
software related at all I mean the phone
I use is like 2 years old but the phone
software wise yeah we never turn them on
either right but I mean it's it the
longevity of software updates is
important like the Motorola that I have
is part of the Android one program and
so they continue to make software
updates I'm on the latest
pie-ya Android 9 then it's great yeah so
getting those those updates and running
vanilla Android this is important part
of the experience
yeah I agree those are important
well let's talk about the hardware then
that's that's what that's what we're
both more into so what do you think of
the build climb in the inside of this
it's completely it's a it's a unibody
chassis that's that's machined out so
this is not a not an inexpensive chassis
yeah
my favorite part obviously is the moving
parts in this with the motorized camera
yeah so when when when oneplus comes out
and makes a claim that the camera can go
up and down three hundred thousand times
what do you think about that do you
think it's in like controlled situation
that's what I think I think like
butterfly keyboard yeah like it totally
works in the labs or like the Galaxy
Note oh yeah they they opened and closed
it you know with their perfectly folding
robot but the real world will put torque
on it or you'll accidentally open it
while it's in your pocket with your keys
or so what do you think do you think
it's gonna last that do you think it's
gonna last the normal two or three year
lifespan of a phone or do you think it's
gonna give out I think the camera will
give out sooner will be my prediction I
think I think you're gonna get dust in
it or sander I mean I can't so I every
weekend I'm doing work in the yard I'm
you know cutting things with chainsaw
and every Sunday night this is a ritual
now I gotta get a toothpick or a needle
and clean sawdust out of my USB charge
port and so I'm just imagining me with
this phone I would be guaranteed to have
guaranteed to have sawdust in the camera
yeah oneplus did put like a little bit
of effort into keeping dust out they
have like this little tiny rubber ring
around the inside of the camera when it
slides up and down that hole
but yeah I imagine with enough dirt and
sand it would get clogged up in there at
some point were you able to get the
display off without breaking it no
shattered that thing yeah you did - yeah
so that's I mean I guess zoom to the end
our conclusion we gave it a 4 out of 10
partially because of the way that you
open it and I mean getting giving to the
display the display feels like it's the
part that I mean it's the part that
always breaks and we weren't able to to
give at it without breaking it yeah and
maybe you know the answer to this or
maybe it's super specific but with the I
don't know you guys - do you take off
the display entirely
after you broke it I'd this one this is
did you guys ever remove the display on
this now we didn't we never fully
removed it we were just trying to give
it I mean so that that would be the next
step is to separate the the display from
the the chassis so when I when I
shattered my screen off the glass was
totally separate from the the AMOLED
panel because it's like that 90 Hertz
you know AMOLED display but it was like
a paper like super flexible display
instead of like a rigid because usually
the amyloids are like crackable like
glass right so I just wondering if you
had any more deep no I mean maybe we
should talk to support more and see I
mean that would make sense for them
getting that that's why they we do the
curved edge curved yeah going all the
way to the edge you're gonna and that's
I mean all amyloids are that are that
flexible and then they they you know
glue additional layers on to it to give
it additional structural support and
rigidity and that's why we've always
said the the Samsung Edge phones are so
much more expensive to repair than the
regular galaxy right my two year old
Galaxy s8 I look into fixing the screen
yesterday cuz it's got this burnin
problem going on right now and it was
still like a hundred and ninety bucks
here and that's that's cheap
I think that the Samsung keeps a really
tight control over the parts supply and
I mean we can get the parts but they're
crazy expensive and Samsung is
intentionally keeping the repair prices
high like they want to push you out of a
repair and then do a new unit and you
can read a lot about it on a blog post
on ifixit.com to be no yeah we all know
fixing I can see a whole post where I
dig in way too deep and try to figure
out why amyloids cost so much to
maintain and replace interesting with in
in two minutes
why are they so expensive the burnin
that you're currently experiencing on
your phone it makes it really hard for
there to be aftermarket parts because
any phone that's X years old is gonna
probably experienced some burnin with
amyloids so we can't harvest parts
really because right they are super
fragile as you guys have learned by
taking apart phones and trying to not
break the display and inevitably
breaking the display there you know so
fragile they're hard to harvest and
repair at
phones Samsung controls 95% of the
mobile OLED market and so why would they
make cheap after-market displays for
anybody if they didn't have to yeah and
it's also just a it's a lot more
complicated than the LCDs that we all
had five years ago people you know there
was a whole industry for recruiting
those from phones so yeah it's not your
fault is what I'm saying
Zack here yeah it's not your fault well
and it's to the point where if you go
into your local repair shops they're
fixing iPhones and they can fix the
Samsung's but they generally don't and
you ask them like hey you know how much
your business is Samsung and there's
almost no shops I mean they'll say it's
under five percent but they get all
customers coming in all the time and
then they quote the repair price what
the part cost them and then everybody
declines the repair so that the
artificially propped up price of these
service parts is is single-handedly
stifling the repair market yeah and
people who are on cell phone contracts
who say like hey I'd like to spate spend
$300 to get our you know the same phone
you had before or you know you do
probably some incentive to upgrade which
is uh also Samsung's bulwark they're
excited about it so you gotta you gotta
work with one plus a little bit on the
teardown were you able to get any
additional information out of them
I mean it's kind of nice to have more of
a conversation with a with a
manufacturer than just our usual I
bought your device and post the video on
the internet so I've worked with two
manufacturers to make teardown videos
one back with LG and like the LG G six
or something they sponsored a teardown
and so when I rolled up they flew me out
to New York to make this teardown video
with the LG G six I get to this room
it's me the phone and like four of their
sales representatives like their
marketing team and I was like all right
any tips you got and they're like we've
never seen the inside we're waiting for
you tell what's no tips from LG there
and then I went to oneplus to take apart
their phone is the same thing like no
technical like tips or tricks or
anything it's just like here's a table
glad you brought your own tools
have at it which is strange who like
oneplus is market image you know for
their whole exist
since has been like you know the
different kind of cell phone maker like
will try anything essentially you know
where we're making phone mid-range or
flagship phones for less you know like I
always feel like they've had a geeky
appeal yeah yeah and I'm sure if I
pushed hard enough they would they would
find you know a technical guy to bring
out and like help me out but like it's
just has never really been an option
they're just like have fun you live on a
different side of the company for them
yeah yeah thereafter but yeah everyone
in the chat is super worried that we're
not live and we are totally live guys
and here's a shoe to prove it
yeah that's Kelsey's shoe yeah what
we'll throw that what was we've got
we've got repaired dog in the background
over here so I through the shooting your
pebbles pebbles didn't react at all this
is a very sedate dog not live as opposed
to like I mean we're doing this live
guys come on oh this is no rehearsal no
no limits all right wait why does shoe
like is that some kind of meme that I'm
in it someone someone said yeah you
gotta prove that it's live we said well
how do you want us to prove it and it's
okay well well yeah I mean it's hangouts
on there we can't fake hey how would you
even do that I guess we could we keep
pre-recorded and then and then put it on
the HDMI playback and then it would be
so much harder to fake doing it live
than to actually just do it live right I
won plus seven you did a video where you
also showed how to get the clear back
panel and then you've also done this for
the phone I have the pixel to and like
every time I look at that thing I'm like
yeah it's time for a clear back um yeah
it's with it so is it something you just
kind of discovered that like all these
phones are using a very thin film of
paint on their glass panels and that
they're almost can most of them just be
made clear with a little scratching yeah
so I started doing it back with the LG
no not the galaxy s6 I think so it's
been a couple years and I saw a picture
on Reddit of someone who had done it
so my first video I linked to that
reddit page and like show like his where
I got the idea
and then I started to do it to every
single glass phone after that and some
of the glass layers are different like
some of their film that can peel off and
some of our like our paint that need
like paint stripper or something sprayed
on first before it'll you know come off
mm-hmm but every glass phone is kind of
you know the same basic process it makes
you wonder why manufacturers aren't
offering a clear glass option from the
job yeah I don't know I mean it might be
some kind of like UV thing like they
don't want the you know UV light to come
inside of the phone but like you can get
clear UV films to put on the inner side
of glass - oh yeah or tear down
wallpapers where we post the insides so
you can put in your desktop those are
very popular and we actually we are
coming out with a new line of cases for
these things that have either an x-ray
or a photo of the internals so if you
don't want to put in the time that zach
has to clear it you can sort of simulate
the experience but not not as cool as it
probably stinks for that way and the
larger thing to keep the water
resistance and stuff
oh so you're you're kind of all your
videos encourage me to scratch the paint
off this thing but you personally are
telling me mm-hmm
be wary if you don't need to open up the
phone to fix something else then yeah
leave it sealed shut okay once you're
inside with your audience tonight then
you might as well okay this is good this
is good inside info I said let's talk
about let's talk about your experience
kind of getting into this thing what I
mean once once you had the backup what
do you think of their mechanical design
and construction here the mechanicals I
mean honestly with so I've been doing
these I've been making videos for like
seven years or so and it's like when
you've all the phones are kind of the
same after a while like you've taken
apart one phone there's a good chance
that you can take apart another phone
and be successful at it I don't feel
like oneplus has done a whole lot
different than other manufacturers is
still the metal and glass sandwich I do
like that they made the battery easy to
pull out super simple you don't have to
worry about puncturing the battery or
anything yeah they got the Handy pull
tab on it which is why there's no one
else do that
from from now on and every single
my tear downs if the battery is glued in
I'm gonna say don't buy this phone play
something else cuz like manufacturers
should legitimately stop doing that
absolutely yeah it's it's driving
driving us crazy and it's a huge problem
for recycling too it's it's uh I mean
just across the board there are there
are simple straightforward things you
can do and the batteries are consumable
it's not like yeah no matter what like
in a year or two years like my phone
I've had it for a little over two years
and I charge it up it's plugged in right
now while I'm talking to you guys
because around one o'clock I'm down to
like 30% and I have to charge it up to
get to the end of the day after that
because it's the batteries you know I
use it a lot and it drains clean out
into what father using the galaxy s 8
plus okay very good and you've managed
to not break the screen I mean you got a
OLED burnin but but you haven't it's
still in peace I always have a case on
it so it's like yeah it's not in a case
despite how you you seem to somehow all
your videos end with your phones
destroyed so I assumed maybe that would
carry over your personal phone no I
treat that's been a little nicer than
the rest of them so a kind of a medic
question for you we're both taking apart
these things and then at the end we give
our repair ability score you're not
necessarily you know you're reviewing
them for durability and other things not
not just serviceability but have you
ever looked at our score and said nah
these guys got that wrong no I feel like
you guys you guys have a very systematic
approach to it and I've never been there
was one phone that you said was like
100% not repairable and I was like well
it's not that bad but like I see where
you're coming from but like for the most
part 99% of the time I agree 100% with
you guys and it's reaffirmed me to here
I always know I'm always afraid that you
know someone
someone's gonna will give something that
what we gave this phone for and so if
you found some easy way in like no guys
this ought to be an eight I would feel
yeah it's increasingly it's the it's as
they go thinner it's these these flimsy
easily breakable components that are
glued down and the process of you know
heating it systematically and lifting it
off carefully is seeming to me the
increasing challenge with with most
Android phones out there
yeah and you know nowadays basically
every phone is hard to repair so yeah
five you're probably you're probably
right so speaking of things that are
they're hard to repair one of the first
kind of low scoring devices we had was
the the iPod Touch back in the day it's
been it's been a long time since we've
done an iPod Touch teardown I think we
gave the last one a 4 out of 10
but Apple just release a new iPod touch
what no I feel like hell is frozen over
or something right it's like new Mac
Mini day right and no problem here
usually the Apple videos get a lot of
views so that's why I like Apple
yeah so iPod Touch can run us through
the specs on this on this new one so
honestly the only thing I've noticed is
that it's hard to find on their website
and that is it I thought I know nothing
else about it if you go to apple.com
right now they're looking kind of
desperate like they've got the prices
you like Apple comm maybe I'm interested
in many things from Apple nope you need
to buy an iPhone XR they're $19.99 a
month the price is in seventy two point
font I feel like after their earnings
disappointment a few months ago there
was some kind of internal fire drill an
app where they're like everyone in the
company must focus on selling more
iPhones yeah essentially the iPhone 10 R
which is like their worst phone right
and it's it's it's 479 dollars if you
something yeah you have to trade in your
phone and it's it's like trading in your
car at the dealership you're never gonna
get as good a value trading you then to
the manufacturers if you sold it
yourself right exactly
who is the ipod touch for today like I
understand some people are pretty
excited that they are putting it out but
like I also could understand people like
oh why would you buy a fake phone like
why would you buy a phone that isn't a
phone personally I think it's for the
like the sub 16 year old audience yeah
they don't need a phone phone they just
need something that connects to the
internet yeah they need a fortnight and
you know music machine yeah cuz plus you
can basically do everything a phone can
if you're on Wi-Fi right so yeah it
doesn't have a it doesn't have an
earpiece speaker and microphone which i
think is kind of a lost opportunity if
they
if they'd put it on there then it's
basically a it's a Wi-Fi iPhone right
yeah I was gonna say can you use like do
oh look you can plug a headset into it
and then and then use you know
microphone then you put Skype on and
you're good to go
oh okay we're FaceTime or whatever
FaceTime
yeah mmm if they sold a two hundred
dollar like iPod with and your piece no
one will buy iPhones anymore because
everyone's on Wi-Fi all the time anyway
you know I think I think that's I think
they're afraid of undercutting iPhone
sales but it's just such a a fantastic
product you have a general-purpose iOS
device and made that the beef with the
the iPod Touch has been that it's got
it's had such an old processor it said
this five year old processor so now
they're updating it's got an a8 which is
not cutting edge but it's a it's a
substantial spec bump
what was the 88 from eight is three
years old we're on the a12 now so well I
thought why couldn't they put in a 12 in
there why couldn't they have had two
versions like like charge me a hundred
bucks more and give me the current
processor but would you with the iPod
touch would you really need all that
power yeah absolutely I want to play for
it neither you know I mean you think
about these kids like overwhelmingly
you're playing video games on it yeah
that's true and and also you think about
age I mean if it's been five years since
they've updated it it's probably gonna
be another five years until we get
another iPod touch if we ever do so give
us a current processor and then it'll
last for four years together they're
gonna roll out iOS you know thirteen
fourteen it's gonna slow down the
performance on these things and if
you're on I mean what what is the the
iPhone se does that have an eighth as
well I'm sure it's gotten a ten on the
SE o the touch has natan okay so that's
better okay I misspoke 810 but still
it's it's not the cutting edge it's yeah
um well well so we are currently king
that se has an a nine ah so but that's
something they need to spec on - right
because the SE is they're kind of you
know entry-level phone and and they all
their operating systems have to run on
on the SE there's the there's an iPod
Touch in the teardown shop we're looking
at it or okay yeah we got one here now
are you give one yet it said it got
delivered but I probably won't make my
video until like now
squeaker the week after so you guys are
gonna go ahead and go into your thing
well do I think I don't know I don't
know one more one more round if we if we
get out this week or early next week but
yeah we get one the best feature is the
headphone jack right I'm just imagining
these kids you've got you get six year
old with the phone and then you're like
yeah and you gotta have the air pods and
you gotta train kids on how to you know
charge all these things and keep your
battery like what are we teaching kids
these days teasing them to juggle
battery life yeah I think it's headphone
jacks are still important in my opinion
yes
yeah tell oneplus that please they're on
their own so what do you think of the
pixel 3a um I like it I haven't been
inside of it have you guys done the
teardown oh yeah yeah okay yeah we
upgraded the the score what Kevin wanted
to get uh six or seven I think it go six
okay six which is that which is a bump
up but because we give the pixel three
or four so we think it's dramatically
more repairable than that and I mean
it's it's like on par we're also giving
the iPhone the six so it's like the only
like current Android phone that is
scoring that high many internals black
threads about that score but I think
we've planted on the right one
interesting yeah so I like it I think
for you know I think that I think the
markets gonna start heading back to the
stuff $500 phones like the thousand
dollar phones are not sustainable for
most people and so I like I like where
Google's headed with that I think so too
I just I've had so many people ask me
you know what's the difference if I'm
paying twice as much for the phone you
know what what what am I getting for
that and I just have such a hard time
answering that question it's like well
better camera better chipset yeah but
then up until now you know the better
camera has been a big part the answer
but like the the promise of Google all
this time has been you know they're huge
huge huge server farm that they can
point at problems and fix and like they
kind of can do that with their cameras
now we're a large part of what makes
their cameras so good is like the
software riding alongside it so you know
things
nitesite and stuff like that work really
well on even this not totally
top-of-the-line pixel three a phone so
I'm interested by that they've been able
to use software to kind of make their
mid-range phones seem more like a
flagship in some ways yeah yeah I'm
curious so this is this is the oneplus
camera module and it's got a three
independent all optical image
stabilization and I think the I don't
know this for sure but I would imagine
it certainly seems that the budget
phones don't have optical image
stabilization where the higher-end
phones do so that's got the be a a cost
driver right the phone I just took apart
that I haven't posted video of yet was
the red magic three and that one does
not have optical image stabilization but
it can film an 8k which is interesting
it's the first I can film an egg is it's
the this is something that's perhaps a
little more appealing to the the Zack's
of the world than the that I don't think
I've ever seen anything build an 8k
before where where would I have seen
something in a K I think a couple of
youtubers are they have a cameras I know
- and mkbhd Devin Supertramp they all
have cameras that do 8 K but I don't
know if they're uploading an 8k or not
yeah where they are they're uploading an
aka they just haven't finished uploading
yet we are right next month we'll be
able to see they're at their work well
we've got a new product to launch that
we launched today and exactly I'll have
to send you some so you can review them
so that this is our new carbon-fiber
spudger and it looks identical to our
old spudger but the the it's got we
baked carbon fiber into the and and
spent a lot of time on the plastic
formulation so it's a lot stiffer and a
lot more durable this spudger that I
have from years of use would kind of you
know ding the tip and a new carbon fiber
structure we're pretty excited about it
cool so when you're poking around inside
stuff the stiffness and the the strength
there from the carbon fiber means that
you don't have to put as much force to
make something move at the end of your
tip like basically it you can affect
more force inside of things with smaller
movements hopefully is the idea but a
bird tells me a bird who is in the
production
to do that maybe you have your own
sluggers or you make your own I mean yes
I don't I do my own you make your own
where you have your own I and have my
own manufactured well we'll have to well
have you have them go ahead yeah
alright I haven't done any of the
plastic formulation my definitely aren't
carbon fiber but minor who your colors
so there's that well you're saying
you're shaving precious grams and
aerodynamics by using our carbon fiber
sputters that way you know why it took
care so much more performance out of our
sputters just keep that in mind no you
can you can repair more phones because
it's less effort right that's it exactly
we're we're the Greg LeMond dove phone
repair now fewer slices of pizza per
repair in fact what you lose pleasure
doesn't come out every day this is this
is one of those tools that if you if
you're not in the electronics repair
world nobody knows with a spudger is and
you get into it and we really start to
care a lot about our tools yeah I'm
surprised you guys didn't do like the
whole Apple like announcement of been he
knows this is our launch event and then
we just we just turn on the iPod Touch
behind us and you two starts playing and
we announced the new carbon fiber
spudger are there any other tools that
you use for your for your videos of your
tear downs that like are not kind of
common screwdriver type stuff do you
have to have any other you have any
other kit that we should know about so
we can copy and make a carbon fiber
version of it no I mean I have those
little metal spudger 's but I think
everyone has their own little version of
those one thing so I use a razor blade a
lot in my cuz just I feel like it's
super sturdy super sharp I can get like
I can it opens phones really easily the
problem is like it also opens fingers
really easily are relatively they're
nervous about using a razor blade which
I totally agree with like they're
dangerous things but I just really like
having a razor blade around are yours
any different than the like when they
come safety razor blades that you buy
like a pack of 100 for like two bucks no
so they're like at Home Depot and I've
literally carried around a knife like
this for the past like
fifteen years like it's just always in
the pocket how often you swapping blades
um I swap a blade I try to use a new
blade on every phone so I've probably
once or twice a month every time a new
phone comes in yeah which is
increasingly often these days but yeah a
lot of new phones um so you also
probably have a pretty good blood
cleanup tool that you have to keep handy
though I've only cut myself one time
while making a video and it was not with
a razor blade it was with my metal
spudger I was filming a video it was the
let me think about which one I was it
was a Star Wars speaker like a
levitating Star Wars Death Star speaker
I started filming the video my tool
slipped slashed by finger open like bad
so I had to stop filming wait a week for
my finger to heal and then film the rest
of the video no yeah so there's that
little typical they always say you know
this is hard work where we are you know
putting ourselves in danger it's a
frontline hardware so so you don't have
to
well that Star Wars kid it struck you
down but you came back more powerful
than it could imagine the air pods we
blow all over those you know getting
that that it's the the charging case I
mean the air pods themselves you can
pull them apart but the charging case
getting that pried open and getting the
matter yeah that's been really a
challenge thank you interesting we have
a ultrasonic cutting tool that's pretty
interesting for cutting through plastic
and that is that that's the best tool
that we've found but it's like it's like
in Star Wars the vibro blade it vibrates
at incredibly high frequencies and and
the vibrations slice through plastic
it's really slick dang do that but they
are they're expensive so it's the kind
of thing you wouldn't want at home but
you know those of us who are in the
industry professional tear downs
maybe we can splurge on some fancier
tools right well so the I want to talk
about right to repair for a minute and
there is a there's a process that's
going on that kind of happens behind the
scenes that not very many people know
about I fix it's been involved in this
for a long time but we don't talk about
very much partially because it's wonky
and boring but it has big impact on on
product design and where things are
going and that's the green standards for
electronics so yeah if you go into the
store and you get a cleaning product
maybe it has a green eco sticker there
actually are fairly intensive standards
that are that are developed they're not
laws but these are these are usually
voluntary standards where a group of
experts and industry and and and maybe
environmentally in NGOs and other folks
get together and negotiate and come up
with these are the requirements for the
product to be able to have the sticker
and then you have certification about
these like you well where they certify
products to these labels and in the
electronics world the the green label
that is most frequently used at least in
the US is something called EPEAT and it
was initially developed by the EPA
that's the the EPA EPA T that's EPA as
part of that and it's run by a
non-profit out of Portland called the
green electron Council and we give this
this is people always ask me where do
you interact with Apple or how does what
does Apple think of you and really the
only interactions that we regularly have
with Apple and the other manufacturers
is at these standards development
meetings and so I've participated up for
the last gosh six or seven years on the
cell phone standard so the cell phone EP
we sit in a room or we get on conference
calls and I argue with Apple over
whether the battery should be easy to
remove or not and and developing these
standards has been a really interesting
way to try to influence the sign now the
problem with this process is that I get
outvoted every single time so it's like
Apple and LG and Samsung and all the
other manufacturers and then they'll be
like the EPA and me and we're we're
negotiating and then it comes time to
vote
you know should we give five extra
points or an easily removable battery
and the manufacturers all vote no like
it's fine
let us do whatever we want we want
complete design flexibility and the EPA
and they are saying no this would be
important so there's a new standards
development process coming out and it's
going to go through the NSF which is not
the National Science Foundation that you
may be familiar with this is the
National Sanitation
Foundation and may actually develop a
lot of eco standards and they're going
to be developing the next generation of
cell phone and laptop standards and
there's an opportunity over the next
couple days for experts to weigh and so
if anyone out there is interested in
potentially volunteering because like
I'm involved because I want to be but
it's purely like you know I'm spending
my time for the benefit of mankind not
not you know getting paid for it but
there's a possibility anybody can join
it's it's an open invite so we are
looking for maybe you know retired
engineers or people that have extra time
that want to participate in the
standards development process now fair
warning it's a little bit of a time sink
it's it's the kind of thing where you're
on a conference call an hour a week
maybe for a year and those conference
calls are not always the most
entertaining but at the end of that year
you you you know help participate in the
standard that will guide where the
entire electronics industry is going and
so we are and we've put a call out for
for people to to reach out to us and if
you're interested we can we can train
you and and and show you how to
participate in this because we really
need more balanced representation and
the NSF has said they're interested in
balanced representation they're
interested in more people at the table
it's just it's just a time thing and and
I fix it only gets one seat at the table
so we're interested in other people
other organizations joining up so is
that go ahead out of curiosity so this
so they're coming out with this you know
standard or whatever will it be on the
box of cell phones or where we'll be
able to see this standard they could so
this is the standard right now for cell
phones is UL 110 and on there are many
EPEAT certified UL 110 phones the galaxy
s 10 I believe is that is a EPEAT gold
certified phone it's up to the
manufacturer whether they want to put it
on the box some of them do some of them
just make it available on the website
you can go to the green electronics
council website and we'll post in the
show notes and you can search for
product and see if a product is is rated
then there's there's a you know bronze
silver gold rating what's interesting
and where this carries a lot of weight
is that the federal government is
required to make 95% of their purchases
have to be products on this list so
that's the incentive
for the manufacturers as if Samsung
wants the federal government the US
federal government to be able to
purchase Galaxy S tens they have to get
they have to get EP certified and and
the federal government is the largest
single a purchaser of IT in the United
States so and in the United States
government of course is a large part of
the global landscape so there really is
a opportunity to influence you know what
effectively is billions of dollars are
purchasing down the road I think they
should be putting it on the box apple on
their Tech Specs when they have an EP
certified product they'll say on the
technical specification website that
it's EPEAT certified or not on their
laptops I I haven't gone through and
looked at the boxes of other other
companies to see who's involved Zach I I
know you're busy if you uh I didn't know
if you can stay on for talking about
MacBook keyboards but if not I should
probably take off okay uh let folks know
where they can see you shoot at Tesla's
mangle bumpers mangle one blow let's
where can they see all the the beautiful
damage you do to our devices every day
mostly on YouTube juryrigg everything
just all my videos are right there on
that great platform that is YouTube and
your name is not Jerry it is Zach I know
it took it took me like weeks of
thinking about this to get around get
this around my head but your name is
Zach but your your channel is
jerry-rigging everything exactly yeah
when people recognize me out in public
it's usually like hey Jerry are you
doing you have a jerrycan like the gas
cans yeah I do actually
very good very good and then so coming
up you've got some some looking you're
looking at a few phones it sounded like
you got some other experiments in the
works yeah quite a bit actually the ones
that I'm super excited about I have this
sapphire video coming out in the near
future that's gonna be fun and then I
have an off-road wheelchair which is a
better version than the one I made
previously
so that will also be very good all right
well thanks for thanks for talking with
us about everything that we love to kick
out about no problem I hope to be back
again soon
awesome thanks Zach okay
okay so we have the the 2019 MacBook Pro
here in the studio and this thing we it
was twenty four hundred dollars plus
sales tax so this was not cheap what's
that
no I'm just excited yeah yeah quarter
gone I'm something you immediately broke
let's do it
yeah well and we got and this a question
was yeah are we going to destroy it or
not in them as well yeah science we have
to so we have successfully we figured we
would destroy keys that were less likely
to be used so we pulled off first the
right command and option key cuz nobody
ever uses those keys anyway
and and then we also pull the part that
2018 MacBook Pro and so I have both
parts here where we pulled apart the
materials and we did a little bit
analysis of what is different between
the 2018 keyboard material and the 2019
keyboard and and I we the first thing
that we did we pull apart and we said
okay these look pretty similar so we're
gonna need to do some more of a deep
dive and and and and bring out the heavy
guns to really understand what they're
just for just for a moment of context
the only thing going into this that you
knew was because of Joanna Stern at the
Wall Street Journal who eked out of
Apple that there was a quote-unquote new
material that's right the Apple didn't
say in their press release anywhere was
just Joanna got Apple to say it was a it
was a material okay good material that's
it and were like I what you know change
to a material change to materials what
is the change how is it like I mean
because these keyboards have been
catastrophic ly failing for people what
would have been the main symptoms of
failure that you've heard about um
double double key presses where you get
two ends who halves to what Evers
missing keys stuck keys basically
everything that you can imagine that
could happen to a thing you press with
your thinker going wrong and you know
the this wouldn't be as much of a thing
if it weren't for the fact that like
it's a $700 ish repair 500 700 dollars
depending and there's no way to get in
and fix it you just have to replace the
whole thing
Apple has to replace the whole thing to
the point where they've now they now
have a keyboard replacement program that
even includes this brand new MacBook
that they just released like they do put
out a bit random
hook-and-eye said immediately it would
be covered by the keyboard replacement
program which is absolutely
unprecedented I have never heard of a
manufacturer release a new product and
then on day one say we know there's a
problem with it so we're gonna you know
extend the warranty to be like buying it
Honda with a new engine they're like oh
yeah the car has a two-year warranty but
the engine you know yeah.what afford
that's the view and they're like don't
worry you've got a rollover protection
program in place you'll be fine okay
yeah yes I have what that's my Explorer
I was talking about that that is one of
those rollover prone exports I've
managed to keep it upright the tires
that exploded every time I've had it
yeah okay well so uh so then you said to
yourself I can't accept this offhand
remark by Apple about their new
materials I must go too right so we I
brought it down to our local University
where we have some friends that have
PhDs and fancy expensive equipment and
we said you know hear that the way the
keyboard is constructed is is there's
the main keyboard substrate and then
there's a there's a metal spring and
there's a plastic cover over the metal
spring and then there is the butterfly
mechanism and then there's another
membrane on that and then there's
there's the key cap and so looking at it
initially it seemed like the things that
we thought they were most likely to
change were the plastic cover over the
over the spring and then the spring
itself and so we took it down to the our
buddies and the materials engineering
department and and had them take a look
at it did they did they kind of laugh
that you were showing them something
that looked almost exactly like two of
the exact same thing or is this like
this is their thing is that people
showing them two extremely similar
materials and saying what the difference
this is their thing they were so serious
they were like oh and it was exactly the
kind of problem they like having like
here are two things that look the same
tell us how they are different we know
they're great this is what we do it was
these guys are just the uber material
nerds this is their sweet spot they love
the question so what's a what does it
start off as is like is it a microscope
at first just like seeing if you can
even yeah that was I mean at first we
were just kind of looking at with it
with a naked eye and then and then it
was getting under your microscope and
look at the mechanical properties with
the microscope and unfortunately we've
got our lab scopes here and then and
they had some skill
and where it's interesting I mean even
just playing with the plastic material
I've got the 2018 and 1019 plastic
membrane and they they visually and
mechanically are different so when I say
they're visually different the the old
material is kind of milky and the new
material is clear and then there's also
kind of a pop spring mechanism to the
new material where as you push it it
kind of goes both directions so it'll
kind of pop into what and then snap into
whatever configuration that the other
thing that we noticed was was when we we
pulled apart the old one we had we had
actually punctured the plastic and the
process of getting it off and and we we
applied kind of the same level of
destructive force to the new one and we
didn't break it so it's clear that this
new material which turns out is a is a
nylon is is actually quite a bit more
robust which is I think what Apple was
aiming for now Apple hasn't put out you
know which seems to be the death knell
for any company is to put out a number
like we were just talking about with the
oneplus 7 or the Samsung Galaxy fold
like a hundred thousand times six
hundred thousand times like they they
never got a number say a robot had typed
on this laptop for five thousand hours
or anything right and and and they won't
you know they've got the reliability
what they also won't tell us is they say
this only impacts a small number of
customers well it's a small number of
customers like one percent or thirty
percent
yeah I mean clearly we know it's a lot I
mean Jo Anna Stern got onto this because
it happened to her laptop I think it
happened to a couple different laptops
as she had so what are the odds that
means yeah I mean the the slight slight
disclosure for those who work in media
it's like all they do is type so you
know there there's some self-selection
there and that like these are very type
II people but again what what do you use
a laptop for if not to type in some ways
this yes I spend all day typing I so I
you know officer I have my two thousand
twelve month before I have never had a
keyboard problem with this computer it
has been rock-solid and we have we've
got 50 of these in the office and and
we'd never have a problem these now this
is your traditional scissor mechanism
not the newfangled butterfly mechanism
but what I hear is companies that have
these butterfly mechanisms they survey
their staff and I base camp do the
survey and I think a substantial portion
of they're there they're people I forget
the exact 30% had keyboard problems and
and there
under-reported the Apple because lots of
people just live with it because they
can't afford to take their computer in
for repair for a while either time wise
or money wise so just go without their
laptop it has like their entire dev kit
on it for like five days or whatever
well I feel like we could do an entire
episode just on this keyboard because
it's so fascinating but instead I would
say check out the teardown and check out
our video where we interviewed a couple
of materials engineering experts we had
both a material engineer expert and we
also had a metallurgist take a look at
the at the the spring because we thought
maybe it was a metal fatigue issue the
next step and what the engineers wanted
me to give them as they said can you
give us some units as it failed they
wanted to inspect the the keys that were
not working and I didn't have because we
don't use those those laptops here we
didn't have any any failed laptops but
if anyone has one that they want to
donate has it has a keyboard or an upper
case that has a failing keyboard that
you want to you want to send us then
we'll happily throw them to the
microscope they have a scanning electron
microscope who we're gonna stick it
under next to see if we can see micro
fatigue cracks in the metal so this is
not the end of our keyboard
investigation
it will continue yeah and it feels like
I don't know it feels weird that like
Able's Apple would be able to keep that
kind of knowledge to themselves possibly
in perpetuity because like you know
isn't it important for all of us to
learn from these things like you know it
isn't Business School just a series of
stories about naming the Chevy Nova the
Nova the Bridgestone Fire you know forty
like aren't big business like mistakes
like it really important for all of us
to know about I think so and I mean I
think I mean we learn you know when we
talk about repair ability well why do
you need to repair something well
because something went wrong so this
incident has brought to light that how
important that repair score where we
have given every retina MacBook that
Apple is released since 2012-2013 we've
given them all ones or twos on that
repair ability index you say these
things are really hard to fail if they
do fail it has big consequences and part
of the consequences when they make a
little mistake on on a spring on the
keyboard it's very expensive to repair
yeah and and that is something that that
I hope this starts to bring home like
these repair scores really do matter
let's let's let's factor them into our
day to day lives in our purchase
decisions and maybe stop buying the
Peter that gets a 110 there's plenty of
computers that do great and an a sneak
preview for all of you they're watching
we are going to be releasing some more
repairability scores on some PC laptops
and tablets in the next in the next week
or two we've got we've got lots coming
we've got all kinds of computers in the
lab that we've been testing so you
absolutely have repairable options that
are not made by a fruit company in
Cupertino very nice okay well this has
been a fantastic episode it's really
nice of Zack to join us thanks Kevin
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