hello
and welcome we're probably just gonna
hang out here for a minute until we
reach critical mass
but uh thank you for joining us we're
gonna be tearing down the playstation 5
today let us know in the chat
what you want to see there are a couple
tear downs circulating the internet
already
but we're going to do our own as always
uh yeah
so let's just hang out for a minute
craig hello
hey taylor how was your morning it was
great yeah woke up really early
i had this ps5 digital
on order at best buy and i went in to
pick it up at like 6
30. extremely smooth process
uh props to best buy their website
crashed for pre-orders
but the actual uh pickup process was
great so
nice thank you best buy how was your
morning uh
woke up bright and early at 7 45 nice
got a good night's rest feeling pretty
good
yeah very good got my got my playstation
t-shirt on yes i see that i don't know
if everyone can see that though it's
hidden behind all those playstations
yep we got a row of playstations here
we'll get to those in just a minute
right i think i think we're good let's
get started
officially officially get started
officially we are about to get started
if you're not here get here
right now uh last call last call
okay roll in the intro hello
uh i'm taylor i am a technical writer
and tear down engineer here at ifixit
and i am joined today by our very own
craig hi i'm craig i'm head of repair
guides and also a technical writer here
so uh yeah just two technical riders
here today
we are going to be tearing down the new
ps5
and i guess to address the elephant in
the room you may notice that kk is not
here joining us
and that is because yes craig is not
kicking nope
uh that that's because kk is prepping
right now for
a live stream she is doing tomorrow with
our ceo kyle she's going to be taking
apart the iphone 12 mini
so make sure you're subscribed and check
in tomorrow for that
very exciting stuff going on it's an
extremely busy week here at ifixit so we
hope you're enjoying some of this
content
at least some of it uh yeah craig tell
us about uh what we're going to be doing
today
uh we're going to be tearing apart the
uh ps5
that sounds like the optical version um
taylor is also going to just peek inside
the digital version
um just to see if there's any
comparisons
we can make kind of right off the bat um
but interesting enough uh taylor and i
we actually tore down the very first
playstation
uh for its 25th anniversary yes last
year a little a little heritage there
we're
taylor and i we're kind of coming full
circle yeah we are we're we're the
playstation
buds yeah we're here with the ps5 now
yeah
uh so yeah yeah also
uh disclaimer uh this where
this is not an official teardown well
it's an official teardown but it won't
be a full teardown
not a full teardown um full analysis
will come later
yeah this is kind of just a first look
uh
and just a quick disassembly we're gonna
show you what's inside how to take it
apart a little bit
but our full analysis will be coming uh
well we're gonna do a blog post today
and then
next week we're going to dive deep into
the playstation and give it a full
ifixit treatment
so stay tuned for that and then
oh another note we're not going to be
focusing on the dual sense controller
today we
did take that apart already for some
reason sony started shipping those like
last week so yeah we took though we took
that apart
uh and that teardown will be linked in
the description probably
and you can check that out so
yeah if you haven't noticed already we
are live use
chat to ask us questions if you would
like otherwise just enjoy the show
if you are coming after the live stream
is over you can still leave comments and
uh we'll try to get back to you
if i had a copy of today's paper i would
hold it up to prove that it's a live
stream to prove this is live this is not
a conspiracy people
i'm going so i usually i'm the one doing
the tear downs on these live streams kk
is a great moderator
i'm going to try to do my best to
emulate her good qualities here and be a
good moderator
but we do have a team that's going to be
slacking me the important questions
hopefully we don't miss yours
uh sorry if we do we're gonna try our
best and this is my this is my first
time on camera
so first first time for everything for
both yes
so it's an exciting day yeah uh so
craig let's dive right into it give us
some comparisons you've got a lot of
playstations on your desk
i have a lot of playstations on my desk
um
obviously as you probably already know
the ps5 is
enormous yes um previously
before the ps5 was announced the ps4 pro
was the biggest playstation on the
market at the time
and it's just it's gargantuan compared
to the pro
and then we have the ps4 slim and the uh
original
ps4 and then the original playstation
and then all the way over here is the uh
playstation classic
with a tiny key and if we just if we
just hold it up towards the ps5
obviously the ps5 is just it's a lot
bigger it's a lot bigger than the
playstation classic it's got quite a bit
more processing to do
it's only fair but taylor imagine in 25
years
that's where we will be the ps5 could be
in that tiny box this tiny package
that's crazy yes
um what was i going to say oh i will say
i am kind of surprised by the size of
this i was expecting it to be
gargantuan and it is big but
it's a lot less big than i expected like
i don't know how to explain it but
it's not quite as big as you might think
i guess is what i'm saying
um all right so that's some comparison
for you
uh much more comparison to come
obviously
oh i guess one last comparison i want to
do
i have the shell of an xbox
uh series x here that
you can see side by side this is the
digital edition of the ps5
this is the xbox series x and
the xbox series that x is a much more
compact
machine but yeah it's really interesting
we
we will dive deeper into comparisons in
a little bit
uh but it's interesting to see how
sony sony over here and microsoft over
here
kind of accomplished the cooling thermal
design
in these different packages so we'll
keep talking about that a little bit but
here's another comparison for you guys
xbox series x playstation 5 digital
edition
and with that i think let's just jump
right into disassembly craig unless
there's anything else we missed
i don't think so all right maybe if we
miss something the chat can
uh yeah let us know in the chat again i
really
am not doing great at looking at chat
i'm sorry i'm going to focus
on chat but also i'm going to pull off
the covers of this
ps5 digital edition and let's both pull
off
let's both pull them off all right
spoiler
i guess i already did it uh
so uh yeah the way to pull off the
covers though is you lift up
the corner and then it just kind of like
pops off
so that was the first one and one thing
i noticed was that
i assumed the corner was clipped into
place
it's actually not there's just kind of
some nubs here
that are inserted into these holes
and just lifting that up kind of clears
those nubs so you can slide it off
it's kind of interesting yeah it's it's
actually a lot easier to pull off than i
expected
uh you don't have to do that much
pulling or
sliding so pretty easy
um we we should mention sony
seems like they're kind of cracking down
on custom side panel makers
i don't know if that's going to continue
moving forward but
we have at least one instance i think of
them
like taking legal action against
somebody somebody trying to make
custom side panels so you may just have
to customize
the ones you have hopefully that's not
the case though it would be cool to see
like
a vibrant ecosystem of cycling yeah i'm
sure people are going to
paint these and cut out uh
designs for these and then
oh that was that was a lot easier was my
second one was kind of easier too i
wonder if that's
these are yeah cut a few
few less clips on uh oh on the back side
yeah so
you can see craig's over there uh
that's the optical drive on one side and
on mine over here i do not have an
optical drive
just this ssd slot which we will get to
so it looks like they it's
it looks like the same console except
just no optical drive yeah it does
uh can i get somebody to carry this over
to craig so we can put them right by
side by side we do have some uh
assist or we have producers our video
producers are here helping us run this
obviously
shout out to mike on hiro our video team
shout out to them
also one thing that i did forget to
mention is uh
you can see we're not wearing masks but
we are doing this safely craig and i are
six feet apart and so are
our video producers so yeah don't worry
about us
but do be safe out there how far apart
you say we are eight ten
ps5s oh yeah at least at least yeah
maybe like 12 ps5 no i'm not sure what
that is in metric or freedom units
same yeah maybe that's jack and jack can
do conversions
for us yeah um yeah these look pretty
pretty similar yeah except for the
optical drive
oh flip the digital one over
yeah that's so that's the other side
yeah
so you can see the digital one doesn't
have an optical drive obviously it's
called digital and it also is a little
slimmer which is maybe easier to tell
with the
cover zone but yeah
interesting differences there okay i'm
looking at chat actually right now
oh boy what's what are they saying
they're saying good things
all right i do have
oh i do have one question somebody asks
what is our opinion on the ssd
that is kind of a vague question i think
let's
craig how about you start uh taking off
the ssd cover there and we can talk
about the ssd a little bit
looks like we have a phillips screw
phillips screw that's good to see
some people are saying their stream is
lagging if your stream is lagging you
can try refreshing
and if that doesn't fix it maybe it's
something on our end but we did
have a lot of technical difficulties in
our last stream
so we're trying to be a lot better for
this one we're we're much better
prepared
hyrule said we we have an excellent
excellent connection
yes we do have an excellent connection
over here check yours
but yeah other people are saying it's
good so i think we're fine
so let's talk about this ssd very
interesting
uh the xbox series x
and series s both i don't have the back
cover on here but
what they did for storage expansion was
they're making like a custom air quotes
uh storage expansion that you can just
plug into the back of the console
meanwhile sony with the ps5
they just have an m.2 slot
that you can use and you just pull off
the covers
take out the screws like craig is doing
over there and then you can throw in
an m.2 drive and huge disclaimer here
you cannot just throw in any m.2 drive
like the one that craig's putting in
there
is a demonstration that would not work
uh what sony is putting together
supposedly
a list of drives that will work and they
have to like approve them
so this one won't work but you can see
like generally that's how it would work
if you did have
an approved drive so
yeah what do you think about the uh
storage expansion situation craig does
it
bother you what either of them are doing
here where
like you can't really replace the main
storage but you kind of have options
i will say that i'm kind of bummed that
the ps5 they went with soldered on
main storage yeah um instead of you know
uh two and a half inch ssd i mean i get
it um
but you know that the ps4 pro i what is
the
we're outfitting deal like 7000.
oh
oh yeah
we're back on oh we're back on
it's great to be back
okay stream is refreshed on
our end uh hopefully that helped let us
know
in the chat if it didn't but don't joke
about it because that's
mean uh behave yeah
uh yeah okay so craig
took off uh what did you just take off
that was
one of the little stick plans shield
directs air into the fan all right
so that's off there's one on the other
side that
we'll get to later but i'm kind of
really interested in the fan
yeah let's go straight for the fan and
these
are t8
security torx t8 security torque so the
xbox series x sorry i keep bringing that
up
uh it used p8 not security torx so
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similar things going on there there was
a phillips screw you mentioned earlier
right for the
ssd yeah and these are different links
oh that's annoying a lot of the xbox
ones were similar like
i i didn't actually measure them we were
in a hurry but they looked similar so
interesting yeah these are
one is very long and one is very very
short
all right there yeah those were those
were just around the
metal fan plate yep there's four of
these around the fan guard
plate thing wow
three different links
another question uh are we going to show
the
inside of the power supply during this
teardown uh
no probably not we probably won't get
there we're kind of gonna take it by
year to see
how far we can get but
we will probably be doing that in the
full step-by-step tour down next week
we did take apart the xbox power supply
and we have
a lot of information about that actually
so you can check that out in the xbox
tear down and then
once we finish the playstation turn on
we can do some
more robust comparisons between the two
and yeah so just that fan guard had
three different screw links
hate to see it hate to see it
another question can you add an optical
drive to the digital version
aftermarket that is to be determined
we uh once we get the digital version
opened we will see if there's an
uh an empty connector on the board
but we're not sure yet here is the fan
there it is here i have i have an xbox
series x fan that you can compare this
to
so this is a 120 millimeter fan the xbox
series x
is 130 yep so slightly bigger
but interestingly these fans are doing
different things
the xbox series x fan sits at the top of
the console
the top of the console and pulls air
through the bottom
so it's it's one direction the air the
fan is pulling air through the bottom
exhausting it out the top the
playstation is pulling fan
or sorry pulling air in through both
sides
and then pushing it to the back of the
console so
again lots of differences between the
way these two are handling
thermal design uh but yeah yeah
the yeah the series x looks more like a
normal pc case fan
yeah while the ps5
fan this reminds me of the fan
the small fan that you would find inside
of like a furnace
yeah the draft inducer fan uh that's
like pretty much the same design
so this isn't new technology by any
means yeah but
but i think both fans are custom made i
don't think either of them are just
pulling off the shelf part sure yeah
all righty okay uh let's continue
plastic
maybe this plastic uh does the plastic
come off before the optical drive
i believe it does okay we're looking so
some more torques more torques for this
plastic shroud here and there's quite a
bit of screws
uh we have another question can we
compare
motherboard layouts especially the
optical drive connector points for
cables yeah
we will we probably won't get there in
this live stream
but for our full teardown we will be
looking at both motherboards and
comparing them
and at that point we can more decisively
say whether
an optical drive like transplant would
be possible
in general and especially whether you
could put an optical drive
in the digital edition or not i'm
i'm pretty skeptical about that i i kind
of don't think they would bother putting
the connector on the board of the
digital edition
but we will see let's see what other
chats are coming in here craig has a
bunch of screws to disassembly right now
so if you have questions what i did not
do my
screwdriver stretches this morning so
bear with me folks
yes
let's see what's going on here in the
chat
somebody says the series x is so quiet
which is true i think both of these
actually are pretty quiet and a lot of
that was because
well not the xbox but wasn't the ps4
super loud
the ps4 pro had a lot of noise issues a
lot of noise issues
well i mean yeah and i think that's why
both
uh sony and microsoft are kind of going
after
kind of focusing on cooling this year
around
that and yeah the the the leap
in technology like graphics technology
compute
technology was so great from
like the last generation of this
generation that i think just by
necessity
that the boards needed to be bigger and
they needed more cooling
to keep the chips cool especially the
ps5
all right i gotta interrupt for just a
sec go ahead
what do you got we have our first uh
warranty
if removed warranty voted for move
sticker uh oh
hold it up to the camera let me see it
it just looks like i mean it's just a
blank sticker oh does it say does it say
warranty voiders i bet if you remove it
we'll get some uh
we'll get some peel it up let's see
shame on you sony
yeah we're getting some
is it a messy sticker yeah it's the uh
uh this is yeah yeah you got some
you kind of see it so
we hard to say whether or not that is
actually
a warranty void sticker but
uh we have established previously that
warranty void if removed stickers
are illegal so
technically enforceable yeah the
manufacturers cannot enforce
uh or like take legal action
if you do remove that sticker so don't
worry about it it's just a scare tactic
so all right did i miss
any screws question of the day
are you looks like there's one right
here
are the screws really tight in the xbox
this all the screws were super tight i
had to really be careful
how much torque i was putting on them
they're no they're not that bad
okay pretty simple i mean you have to
put a little oomph in it but
yeah not nothing out of the ordinary
okay
um i'm not sure if we have to remove
this let's
just remove this one anyway it's just
good
somebody is upset oh that we
they said we won't get to this we won't
get to that it would be better if we
just made a video
after instead of just going uh
a quick video we're sorry you can come
back later for that we said we would
make
it uh but right now like i said earlier
we are just going to like
be quick disassembly we're going to show
you what's inside
uh if you're not interested in that you
can wait for
our teardown coming up soon i have to
remove this
keyboard there was another good question
that i just scrolled past
and plus live streams are way more fun
right yeah live streams are fun it's
just
it's a different vibe and i think not
everyone is down for that back but
that's fine
all right here we go oh shroud's coming
up
there it is all right we're officially
in so this is our first look at the
insides of the playstation 5 optical
edition wow
so there's a little baby heat sink right
there yeah a little baby heat sink there
anything else interesting um got some
antenna cables antenna cables for sure
we got some ribbon cables that we can
go ahead and remove oh
yeah oh the optical drive is just kind
of sitting there now oh yeah
somebody asks uh what
graphics chipset does the ps5 use
and it's it's a custom chipset but it's
based off of amd's
new rdna 2 so i
i think the benchmarks i'm not even
gonna say the benchmarks are
available you can go check them out it
it i think
lines up pretty nicely with one of amd's
new gpus that they just released
but yeah it's it's not really based on
like
any one chipset that's already in the
wild it's a custom chipset
and the the playstation 5
and the xbox are actually both using
something from amd
the their new rdna2 chipset
but playstation is running at a much
higher clock speed
so that's why their cooling system is a
little more serious and we'll talk about
that in a minute
so there's our optical drive okay fully
enclosed
insulated for
noise and vibration dampening right
were there more screws that you had to
pull out or was it just kind of floating
in there it was just floating in there
wow after the plaid the black shroud
came off it just
it was sitting on there um had to
connect the ribbon cable but other than
that yeah
that's it so the somebody's asking if
the drive
is replaceable and the short answer to
that is
yes the long answer is we're not sure
yet
uh because there is some history of kind
of like
locking the optical drive to the console
talk to us about that
yeah so on the original playstation 4
the optical drive is paired to the
motherboard
uh just like the series x on xbox
um not neces not anything new
um but the ps4 slim
and the ps4 pro those optical drives are
not paired so you can just swap those
ones without a problem
i believe so okay so we're not sure
what sony uh what their plane is here
yeah we're not sure what their game plan
is
uh we so we took apart the series x
optical drive i forgot to grab that but
we took it apart and you can't do
an optical drive swap from series x to
series x
unless you also swap the circuit board
so
there's a circuit board on the optical
drive and
if you remove the circuit board and from
your original drive
and replace the circuit board on your
the replacement drive with the original
one
that's really complicated i'm sorry but
basically it's a complicated process but
you can do an optical drive
swap on the xbox series x it's just
way more complex than it needs to be and
we're not sure if that's going to be the
case for the playstation 5
but we will see sorry to do this again
in our full teardown we can't
take it apart and do testing right now
but that's what we plan to do so
stay tuned for those results a lot of
stickers holding down the antenna cables
oh really that's that's annoying but
also those cables are pretty
finicky so it's nice to have a guide for
them
yeah they're just they're paper stickers
too
that's weird they're kind of they break
really easily or they rip real easily
okay so we talked about
the optical drive where are we going
next
um i'm just kind of this metal shield
maybe
i think that is the case and there are
a lot of screws yeah there are a
bajillion screws
all right send us some more questions in
chat while craig is undoing these screws
moment of truth here i'm going to give
this to michael so that
our other tear down engineers can
start taking it apart and these all
these look like they're all
t8 security torx
i haven't seen a whole lot of phillips
yet just the one phillips for the
uh ssd i guess uh yeah
the so i'm i'm looking at the ssd cover
over here the phillips
screw for the ssd cover has a tiny
little
triangle circle cross and square on it
that's kind of cute
yeah the ps4 yeah the ps4 has that as
well
lots of attention to detail from sony
okay somebody asks how many screwdrivers
we've used so far
just two one phillips and t8 torque
security right
yes and these are actually torqued down
those ones are a bit more than the than
the shroud
the plastic cover interestingly yeah
like all of the xbox ones were that way
let's see
somebody asks what about price to
performance what do you think about that
craig
um or i guess let's let's assume they
mean
for both consoles playstation and xbox
like what do you think about price to
performance for this generation of
consoles
compared to what you said compared to
what well
compared to like previous consoles i
guess or a pc
i i think the price is
i think it's good yeah i agree i think
you know like with phones
uh you know a couple years ago they
started getting more and more expensive
right now we're at a thousand dollars
yeah twelve hundred dollars
a phone but you know that's really not
the case
uh for these new consoles yeah it is
i i think that you get quite a bit of
bang for your buck
especially when you consider the compute
and graphics power that you're getting
like the those components by themselves
are almost as expensive as
like if you were to buy those components
and put them in a pc
them by themselves would almost be as
expensive as the playstation or the xbox
so i think the the price to
performance is pretty uh
like good i guess i don't know where the
metric is but
i think it's a good value you know and
all of us
all of us were having a discussion
earlier about
you know sony and microsoft might be
selling these consoles at a loss yeah
they're
making up for digital yeah we don't have
evidence for that we didn't look into it
too much but that that's
that's kind of the the circulating rumor
that they're selling these consoles for
less than they're actually worth
because they can make so much money on
games and
uh like digital purchases so
oh the economics of 2020
uh let's see more questions here
can it play blu-ray 4k yes as long as
you
have the optical version the digital
virgin does not have a disc drive so it
cannot play blu-ray 4k
and another one what is the baby
heatsink cooling
we're gonna look into that but what did
we decide yesterday we were talking
about this yesterday
we have some theories it's for the
voltage regulator or
oh yeah um voltage regulator modules so
once craig lifts up this
big metal shield you'll see on the back
side there is a tiny
copper heat pipe and we're pretty sure
that's running from the voltage
regulator modules
to this the little heatsink that you see
um where is the wi-fi antenna located
so those antenna cables that craig
disconnected were connected to the wi-fi
module so that's where wi-fi and
bluetooth are happening
well there right there the the xbox
actually has two wi-fi or
like wireless boards and they're located
in different places but they don't
there are no like antenna cables they
use different
antenna methods so interesting to see
differences there
let's see more questions
what's that yes so
another question does the ps5 support
ethernet the ps5 does support ethernet i
don't remember off the top of my head
what the spec
is is it one is it just gigabit ethernet
probably
uh if you know put it in shot i can't
remember what the
ethernet spec is and actually an
interesting tidbit
uh the uh sony's still using the
the c8 two-prong power port which
they've
always used since the very beginning
that's pretty cool i think
um the ps4 pro the first ps4 pro version
they switched to the three-prong
um kind of like a power supply on a
desktop
and then they quietly updated the ps4
pro and went back to the
two prong that's funny yeah
oh somebody says holy cow that's a lot
of screws you are correct
i'm working up a sweat but i mean
i'll take screws over soldered
connections over adhesive
so i don't know i i support it but
sometimes uh there are more screws than
there need to be
it's probably good 20 30 screws here
that's actually more than i expected
there to be when i was watching the
so sony did an official teardown which
we can talk about i guess that's kind of
cool i think that they would
just do tear down they've done that
before it's not the first time but
i think that kind of transparency for
manufacturers is really nice to see
so watching that tear down you can kind
of see the screws count the screws
and i didn't expect there to be this
many but they definitely are they made
it look really easy
they ditch make it look super easy
let's see would the disc drive being
free floating after removing the black
shroud
contribute to noise issues like
vibration issues
potentially like i i could see that
being the case but
i'm sure that sony spent like a lot of
time and money making sure that didn't
happen
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yeah and then the the optical drive
itself has
vibration mounts on it so i i'm sure
that's being taken into account
i think correct me if i'm wrong craig i
think that the shroud holds
the uh optical drive in place right
yeah so there are a bunch of screws on
the shroud
shrouds holding the optical drive down
that makes sense too
screws right here and then just after
you unscrew
after you unscrew these it kind of just
two halves come apart
yeah maybe in our in our full tear down
a little yeah i'm sure we will because
like like i mentioned earlier the to do
an optical drive swap on an xbox
you have to take it apart so we're gonna
have to test that for the playstation as
well
um hdmi port somebody asks is the hdmi
port 2.0 or 2.1
it is hdmi 2.1 to support
4k at 120 hertz which is a really big
deal actually like
that that alone that i don't know like i
mentioned the jump
in graphics and compute that you're
getting from
ps4 pro or ps4 to ps5
or xbox to xbox series x it's crazy
um and the fact that they are
even like sort of able to target
high frame rate 4k is really cool it's
it's really cool to see that coming to
consoles after like
pcs have kind of had that for a while
but it'll be interesting to see
console players have that too
somebody asks oh they just got deleted
bad question sorry shame shame um
those screws oh somebody asks if the
screws you're removing now are different
sizes from each other are these all the
same are they different
these are all the same oh okay that's
nice at least it's great yeah
uh oh man i think
we're close we're getting pretty close i
feel like i'm missing some
there are so many screws let's just take
this one off for good measure
yeah take them all off yeah
there are some that aren't securing the
metal shield but
are securing the motherboard yeah
i so somebody's asking if we are going
to replace
the liquid metal with thermal paste to
do tests
i don't see us doing that that's that's
more a
digital foundry thing maybe uh check out
digital foundry on youtube if you
haven't seen them already
look at all these screws holy cow yeah
that's a lot
um yeah so the the liquid metal
we will talk about that later if we get
to it but
i i don't see us replacing it and doing
tests
it is an interesting repair
dilemma like not as many people are
going to
be able to safely reapply liquid metal
like
they might be able to reapply thermal
paste
so i don't know what do you think about
that craig
uh i mean i don't know why you would
want to
do regular thermal paste over liquid
metal yeah
what do you think about uh just the
liquid metal
being there in the first place and that
being
potentially like a barrier to repair
if somebody doesn't want to like mess
with reapplying thermal paste
or i mean liquid metal sorry uh i guess
the good thing about the playstation 5
is there's no real reason like there's
no need to get that deep in the console
they put the storage expansion right up
in the front so
there's no need and i might be wrong
correct me if i'm wrong chad i think
liquid metal doesn't need to be
refreshed as often as thermal paste does
so like
with older playstation consoles you
could get better performance
not better performance but better
cooling by replacing your
thermal paste after you know five years
i
i don't know if that will be the case
with thermal paste hopefully it'll be
it'll last a little longer
all right i think we have all the screws
off yeah
and there's a little bit of resistance
that might be from the thermal
putty on the uh for this heat sink or
heat pipe
um soundspark says well soundspark asks
if we saw
their comment about early model ps4 pro
three-prong power connection plugs
uh we didn't see the comment but craig
did mention that i think right
the three pump power the three punk
three prong power plugs in early mode
early model ps4 pros yeah and then they
like
silently swapped to two prong again yep
um somebody somebody asks
if we think the memory is going to be a
problem in the future
since it's on the board and
non-removable nope there we go
i think that i don't know it could be a
problem
that since you have expandable storage
options i think that's fine
well i guess are they do you think
they're asking about storage or memory
they said memory
memory is in ram that's right yeah like
but consoles have never really had
replaceable ram
no so that that's not a departure from
past and i i don't think that's
historically been much of a problem
all right we are in
check out that baby heat sink that we
were
we were talking about earlier looks like
it goes to this heat pipe around the
corner
which covers up uh
that row right there yeah as we said or
the the voltage regulator
those do look like voltage regulate what
what's that
yeah but uh yeah metal shield is off
and looks like we're looking at the back
side of the motherboard yeah this is so
this is the back side of the motherboard
that
weird shaped metal thing is holding the
uh like the thermal plate
of the heat sink down yeah yeah
um looks like these are possibly
or yeah here's the the memory yeah
that's the gddr6
memory the nice little circle there 16
gigabytes
there and then these might be some of
the ssd
chips yeah those i think those are the
backside ssd chips and then there are
more on the front side
and then there's that um expansion slot
for the ssd expansion um
let's take off this back plate sounds
good to me
how are we doing on time um we're doing
all right
i'm getting the thumbs up okay so we've
got like 15 minutes i think
so yeah let's i guess let's go all the
way we can check out the liquid metal
yeah those screws don't make nice noises
yeah
let's see
will liquid metal erode the heat sink
i don't know if it will erode it but
liquid metal is
a lot more dangerous to have around
the sensitive components inside the
console so
uh when we open it up you'll see sony
kind of built
like a a wall of foam around
the like the cpu and gpu
so yeah we'll see that
in just a minute getting some more
resistance for
thermal yeah the thermal paste on the
other side is going to be
liquid metal oh
i missed oh i missed the cable ah
that'll do it
it's easy to do
let's see could you zoom
to the back of the apu when the pcb is
exposed afterwards i'm curious
about the capacitor array behind it
thanks in advance
yeah we can probably do that and
somebody else asks is there any
possibility to use an m.2
ssd nvme and the answer is
sort of it needs to be on playstation's
approved list which currently has
zero options but theoretically yeah
eventually there will be
replacement drives available well not
replacement but upgrade drives available
you can
just buy one cram it in there and you've
got more storage
and that's not a lot better oh
we're here there it is nice
there's the liquid metal
okay so this is the the front air sa air
quotes
side of the main motherboard
you can see the soc there with liquid
metal on it
and like i was mentioning earlier
there's like the foam
uh ring around it to protect
the rest of the board from liquid metal
kind of like rolling out
what else do we have here there's the
ssd
uh yeah zoom in a little bit
and yeah you've got the ssds
and the custom ssd controller right
there
oh yeah we're going to zoom in here
get a closer look
oh very nice there we go
cool yeah should i should i play around
with the liquid metal real quick
with a spudger if you're brave
somebody asks why are there such large
areas are of green on the pcb like why
is it
not dense and i think that's cooling
like
they could have theoretically made this
smaller but
the more surface area there is the
easier it is to dissipate
heat and heat is kind of like the
biggest
factor here i can confirm that is liquid
metal
thank you for confirming it is a liquid
you hear you heard it here folks
liquid metal is in fact liquid and it is
in fact in the playstation 5.
gallium gallium thank you to roon
excellent uh yeah and so that's that's
the
the system on chip that has both the
gpu and the cpu and like i mentioned
the playstation 5 is actually running
the gpu at much higher clock speeds than
the xbox
which is part of the reason they're
using liquid metal here to get like
the best thermal contact they can
because
they really have to cool this thing down
um two more screws more screws
so this this last metal bracket
is kind of the last step we're gonna do
here i think
but yes more questions
did the xbox use liquid metal the xbox
did not use liquid metal
oh i have the i was going to bring this
out earlier
the xbox uses this heatsink
and vapor chamber and they're using
i don't know exactly what thermal paste
it is but they're just using thermal
paste
so that's a big difference between
the two consoles the xbox is using this
vapor chamber
the playstation 5 does not have a vapor
chamber they actually claim that
their heat sink and copper pipe solution
is as efficient as a vapor chamber
though and i'm guessing that's because
they have so much more surface area
to deal with like the xbox is so
uh comparatively cramped so
it's a little bit harder for them to
keep this cool
and that's why they're using a vapor
chamber with this huge heatsink
yeah i i think the the playstation board
is so
not dense because of thermals that's my
guess
um what do you think craig
who knows you're right only sony knows
but i i think it's pretty safe to say
for thermal reasons
like it's like i said the the less
compact and dense the board is the
easier it is for them to dissipate the
heat coming off of it
so and and the less heat interference i
guess you get between
chips on the board so i think they're
just giving themselves
more room to play with in terms of
thermals
how does a vapor chamber compare to
liquid metal
have any comparisons been done on pc i'm
sure
uh comparisons have been done those two
things don't exactly equate vapor
chamber and liquid metal like
a vapor chamber is this or
this orange-ish shiny thing here
and the liquid metal is the interface
material
that goes between the cpu or the chip
and this thing so uh
you could theoretically use a vapor
chamber and liquid metal and that would
be like
super efficient but xbox here is using
only vapor chamber
ps5 is using only liquid metal hopefully
that answers your question
let's see somebody says maybe i missed
is this digital ps5 or the one with the
cd drive
uh killerdude909 yeah sorry
we did show that a little earlier we had
a digital in here but
what craig is working on is the optical
one so
there were a couple differences we're
going to talk about those in our full
teardown
so stay tuned for that
getting some resistance with this metal
plate uh-oh i feel like i'm missing
something
what am i missing chat what is craig
miss
is it it could be like kind of clipped
in there
potentially lots of good questions from
chat today thank you guys for all of
your questions
i'm trying to stay on top of them
how to connect to my home theater or 5.1
surround system
if there is no optical out oh yeah
playstation does not have
an optical out i don't think the xbox
does either
i think they're just relying on you
doing it you're sending your sound over
hdmi to your sound system
which will then go to your surround
sound system
um is liquid metal better than grizzly
cryonot grease thermal
i'm not sure i know grizzly is kind of
like
among the best thermal paste but i don't
know off the top of my head if
it's been compared to liquid metal
tarun says grizzly does make a liquid
metal compound it's better than their
thermal paste
so i'm guessing this is also better than
well i mean we know it's better than
thermal paste but
i think in general it is yeah
what's up craig how you doing it's going
great
i'm having a blast this is the last
thing we got to do
so no pressure
um let's see more questions
somebody says there's a screw on the
side of the case
somebody else says just tug just tug
i've been tugging
i don't see any screws
oh somebody soundspark says that you can
use a splitter to pull
sound and output
to tosslink so
to answer that previous question thank
you
somebody else says you have to be aware
of what audio formats your amplifier
supports
that was soundspark again thank you
soundspark
so if somebody else says to use a hammer
you're probably not going to go that
nuclear right now
man look at that it wants to come out
wants to
are there any screws or cables in your
way let's double check
i don't see any miss screws that i
missed
adriel asks if the ps5 can
transmit ak video i'm guessing they mean
uh like play 8k games there's a big 8k
in the box but i i don't think the ps5
will be doing 8k
gaming specifically sorry no you're good
i think you can stream
8k potentially somebody fact check me on
that
that a clip i heard craig no i'm just
trying to loosen some stuff somebody
says there's a screw on the other side
ah thank you let's see who that was
one pesky t8 torx
hmm i missed
i can't find who said that but thank you
very much and then
one thing that a lot of people don't
understand is that
it's very stressful to tear down
something that you've never torn down
before
in front of a live audience of you know
a thousand people
so let's give a big round of applause to
craig for doing this thank you craig
uh and thanks for being patient with
us every time we do a live stream here
are these dust ports
oh yeah we forgot to talk about the dust
ports
um those are the dust ports the idea is
uh your console will accumulate dust
over time
and what sony did is they built these
little
holes in this plastic shroud so you can
stick a vacuum up to the hole and in
theory
pull out dust from like without having
to completely dismantle the console
so that's a really cool idea it will be
interesting to see if it works we
actually
wanted to test it on this live stream
that would have been
a great live stream test but we didn't
think we would have time
let's get in there oh there's another
screw i missed oh another screw
ah we got a lot of thank you crazy
foiled by the
the screws on the other side we got a
lot of thank you craigs in the chat
so uh thank you craig all right here we
go
oh boy moment of truth
all right we finally got it
huge shout out to craig again for uh
finding those last screws and shout out
to whoever
said that in the chat i'm sorry that i
missed your name but
you really saved us there there's the
power supply
okay yeah so craig just dumped these two
things out of the
case there this is the power supply and
the
heat sink for the like the main system
on chip
so can i get somebody to carry this heat
sink over to craig
we'll show you the xbox
vapor chamber and heatseek heatsink
compared to the playstation one that one
has a lot of
liquid metal on there oh yeah there's
some more liquid metal
all right so we have the xbox there's
xbox
xbox on the left playstation on the
right so these are the two
like main cooling solutions for the
consoles
i might spill some liquid metal but
that's all right yeah
so yeah the like i mentioned the
difference the main difference
is the xbox is using a vapor chamber uh
that's what the copper thing is there
and the playstation is just relying on
copper and copper heat pipes
to dissipate the heat and
we don't uh there there are tests you
can go watch we don't have the
information here but
like initial results are both of these
cooling systems work
very well so i think regardless of which
way you're going
you're really not going to lose like
both of these consoles handle heat
very well but any observations on the
heatsink comparison craig i'm trying to
get an
idea of like overall
i mean i think the ps the ps5 heatsink
is maybe
as far as total surf like total fin
surface area
yeah quite a bit larger for sure i think
they need it to be larger
because of the vapor chamber situation
yeah
but yeah the name of the game here is
certainly cooling
yeah and that's that's definitely
apparent throughout
most of both of these console designs
um let me catch up on chat here
that's pretty much it though yeah that's
that's pretty much it maybe show us the
power supply real quick
350 watt power supply
and we will take this apart for our full
teardown next week and we'll compare it
to the xbox one
somebody asks if we will get x-rays of
these boards
the answer is yes we've got those coming
so
again sorry i keep saying this but stay
tuned for the full teardown we'll have
the x-rays
for you there somebody says
get on pc level and i gotta say this
is like the biggest console step forward
this is
actually kind of close to pc level i
like my pc at home
is i think just barely more powerful
than these consoles and i just barely
built it so
uh yeah i i i tip my hat to these
consoles they are not
small uh advances here's my here's my
layout shot
nice layout shot very organized
oh yeah that's a good idea yeah let's
look at let's revisit
uh so i watched the playstation chat on
yesterday and he says
there are only two and they're both on
this side that craig's showing yeah
so one of them is the little triangle in
like the very center
and then the other one if you flip it
over again oh i see yeah yeah so it's
right there
yeah and then inside
there's this little channel
okay and it kind of so where
where does that line up with the the
heatsink like can you put the heatsink
back in there and see where
the vacuum is going to vacuum so the
heatsink i believe
was right there
or is right here
so that'll so the the second hole is
going to kind of pull
dust from around the
the main processing unit there no the
first the central hole
is like right on the main
and then the other one is
up in the top corner oh yeah that's kind
of just like
space i guess well the whole not the
whole the dust holes right there
because if like right
yeah yeah so i'm just trying to think
like where the
oop where the second one will
be pulling dust from like what what else
goes is the power supply right there
power supply would go there
in this slot
okay um somebody asked a lot of people
asked
asked if we are going to reapply liquid
metal
uh not on the live stream but when we
put this back together we probably will
reapply liquid metal just to make sure
that we
have good cooling somebody wants us to
do a drop test
uh i don't know uh tyrone is asking if
we have a scale to compare the weight
craig off hand which one seems heavier
oh
man they're both pretty weighty um
i mean the xbox one i feel like is like
a bit heavier yeah
yeah it's the xbox one is definitely
more condensed so it might
feel heavier maybe yeah i don't know
that's a good question heatsink weight
oh we do have a scale thank you michael
thank you michael for the scale
let's weigh these puppies somebody asks
what happens to the console after it's
back together
uh after it's back together we keep it
at the office
for further testing and reference so
like in two years when we need to do a
comparison to
the ps5 slim if that ever happens
then we will have the original ps5 to
compare it to
um somebody wants us to measure the die
we
usually don't do that but we may end up
doing it in our full tear down
what's our weight uh looking like over
there series x we're at
835 836 grams
all right
836 4x box and
moment of truth
whole 652 grams all right so xbox is
quite a bit heavier
how much does the fan weigh
287. it's good that's good to know
um okay maybe put
any last minute questions you have in
chat but i think we are ready to wrap up
here
any last thoughts craig oh somebody did
ask what your initial thoughts on
repairability are like any any major
road blocks you saw like all the screws
are kind of annoying but that's not a
huge deal
yeah a lot of screws obviously i had
didn't i didn't realize the two screws
on the other side that were holding
yeah everything in place i figured it
was just
you can access everything from one side
right not have to worry about the other
side but
there were a couple screws so um and
that's
that's usually not something i mean i'm
not saying that you are saying that we
were going to penalize it but that's
usually not something that we penalize
it's just
that's the kind of information that is
good to know and that's like why we do
these tear downs so people can
have that information and you don't and
you don't have to spend the same amount
of time that we did trying to figure out
like okay where the heck are all these
screws
yeah we we break it so you don't have to
exactly
yeah um yeah everything
is yeah everything's really nice it's
pretty easy to take apart yeah for the
most part yeah
um i think the biggest question will be
uh
if we end up so for the xbox kind of a
big deal we ended up docking a point
for software locks and that that's
something that we are starting to do
because if you can't repair something
because of a software lock it's
basically not repairable even if the
part is modular
you're just kind of like sol if you
need to repair it so uh it'll be
interesting to see if that
is if there are any software locks going
on with the playstation we'll be testing
that
yeah looking into that and
yeah like like we are saying in chat
we'll also identify all the screws we'll
talk about
uh more in-depth stuff there
okay um any other
last-minute chat questions that i'm
missing people in the room
i guess we did it over there we did
continue we did compare the fans once
once this live stream is over you can go
back and watch the video and we'll
we can you'll see the fans being
compared there
i'm kind of sad that we're wrapping up
show oh some people want to see the mat
again with all the screws i think that
was cool
yeah i'm kind of sad that we're wrapping
up too this was a good one
there it is
those are all well are there any screws
left are those all the screws in the
playstation um
i mean not that that's a small amount
but these they're
the most of them i'm pretty sure most of
the screw all the screws except for
the one coming out of the drive yeah
from the optical drive
cool yeah okay these are all the screws
from the playstation
you've heard our thoughts like i said
stay tuned for
the full teardown coming up uh next week
that will be our written teardown
today we're working on a blog post where
we are going to
compare the playstation 5 to the xbox
and talk about
more thermal design things and a couple
repairability things
so stay tuned for that you can find
craig and i both on twitter i'm taylor c
dixon craig what's your handle
all right is that is e your male name e
edward is my middle name yeah
so our twitter handles are the same oh
yeah first name
middle initial last name anyway not
that's not relevant but
uh anything else we need to plug before
we leave
happy gaming happy gaming i hope
everybody
is able to get a ps5 eventually those of
you who did get one
and are taking today off i'm jealous
okay cool see you guys later thanks for
joining us
bye
cool are we off that was good we'll be
off in a sec
love from india thank you
a lot of people want to see the digital
one yeah
oh